tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post1474690375102701537..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Confusing neuroscience with philosophy of the mindmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-53817356128377708842012-04-26T17:19:16.436-04:002012-04-26T17:19:16.436-04:00I am flabbergasted by the "à propos" of ...I am flabbergasted by the "à propos" of the last three (3) comments!<br /><br />These atheists really know how to use reason...<br /><br />Chapeau bas, Messieurs!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-73197440648848132012-04-26T16:39:33.755-04:002012-04-26T16:39:33.755-04:00Anonymous,
I too noticed the 'loosing', b...Anonymous,<br /><br />I too noticed the 'loosing', but I decided to ignore it, because I know I'm just as capable as making typos' like this. Neuroscience informs us that the human brain has evolved to be good and adequate but not perfect!bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-82856157698509731152012-04-26T11:38:01.308-04:002012-04-26T11:38:01.308-04:00"You're on the loosing end, bachfiend, an..."<i>You're on the loosing end, bachfiend, and that makes you mad (in both meaning of the word!)</i>"<br /><br />A person who cannot properly spell simple words like "losing" really has no business telling anyone what is or is not a science book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28948848107981512122012-04-26T11:03:02.216-04:002012-04-26T11:03:02.216-04:00Pepe,
No, 'the Spiratual Brain' isn't...Pepe,<br /><br />No, 'the Spiratual Brain' isn't a science book. It's just a collection of anecdotes.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-11290403243570925732012-04-26T10:41:29.415-04:002012-04-26T10:41:29.415-04:00...the Spiritual Brain' is a science book.
It...<i>...the Spiritual Brain' is a science book.</i><br /><br />It is!<br /><br />You deny that because it invalidates your atheism and materialism as most new scientific discoveries do.<br /><br />You're on the loosing end, bachfiend, and that makes you mad (in both meaning of the word!)Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-48357722663489154172012-04-26T08:44:51.058-04:002012-04-26T08:44:51.058-04:00Oops,
As usual, when I was proof reading, I read ...Oops,<br /><br />As usual, when I was proof reading, I read what I expected to read, not what was actually there!<br /><br />It should have read in the famous invisible gorilla experiment 'even subjects who look directly at the gorilla, DENY vehemently that there was a gorilla there'.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-47619821597120580122012-04-25T21:22:20.228-04:002012-04-25T21:22:20.228-04:00Michael,
My original answer is still 'disappe...Michael,<br /><br />My original answer is still 'disappeared'. I'm retired, but there still aren't enough hours in the day to repost (unlike you, who apparently has the time to write 128 threads so far this month alone, to be read by so few people).<br /><br />I don't confuse neuroscience and philosophy of the mind. One is a rigorous field of research with a lot of empirical evidence. The other is wishful thinking without a skerrick of evidence. And don't even for a moment claim I've actually reversed the descriptions.<br /><br />The 'raging debate' exists in your and similar minds who are attempting to fill a gap in our knowledge (and there are always gaps, but they're constantly being narrowed) with 'God'.<br /><br />Correctly noting that we don't understand precisely how the human brain works means we can makeup 'souls' and 'independent minds' is nonsense. The human brain is the most complex structure we know of in the universe. Were it simple enough for us to understand it, we'd be too simple to understand it (I think I'm paraphrasing Isaac Asimov, but I might be wrong).bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9714207024965393662012-04-25T19:21:23.794-04:002012-04-25T19:21:23.794-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-90108542610559712482012-04-25T18:33:46.855-04:002012-04-25T18:33:46.855-04:00Michael,
Golly, 128 threads already so far for th...Michael,<br /><br />Golly, 128 threads already so far for the month of April. You've obviously decided that you can't achieve quality in your blog, so you've definitely gone for quantity.<br /><br />I'm only reading to the end of the month. I'm curious to see how many threads you actually start for the month. Thank Gawd it's April and not March or May.<br /><br />I'm also waiting for you to apologize for fabricating a quote that you claimed I made. I suppose that's the reason you didn't provide a link to the previous thread, because it would demonstrate to your readers what a dishonest person you are.<br /><br />You didn't provide a link to the thread in which I'd made the comments, so I can't check the context. Although I don't dispute that I made them, because they are completely reasonable statements, and are also completely true.<br /><br />Neuroscience doesn't disprove the existence of the soul or the separation of the mind from the brain. It just makes them completely unnecessary. If you want to posit a soul or an independent mind, then you have to show some evidence for them. Made-up philosophies without a scintilla of evidence, that just happen to 'explain' something you can't understand are just bogus.<br /><br />Out of body experiences and near death experiences aren't evidence either for a soul or an independent mind. Even just simple psychological tricks can fool the brain into thinking that a limb doesn't belong to the person or that someone else's limb belongs to him.<br /><br />Perception occurs within the brain, and the brain constructs a model of what is occurring in the outside world, based largely on expectation. And it may or may not be true. In the famous 'invisible gorilla' experiment, in which 50% of subjects don't see an actor dressed in a gorilla suit walking across a basketball game and pounding his chest for 7'', even subjects who look directly at the 'gorilla' insist vehemently that there was a gorilla there.<br /><br />It's an oxymoron to say that since there are times when the brain is subtly affected by outside influences and the mind is not detectably altered, that then that shows that the mind is independent from the brain. To do that, you'd have to demonstrate that there are times that the mind is altered without the brain undergoing some sort of physical change.<br /><br />From neuroscience, we know that the perception of 'self' is lodged in the left parietal cortex and the perception of 'self' within space in the right parietal cortex. Certain illicit psychotropic drugs affect parietal lobe function (as can be demonstrated in a fNMR scan) giving glorious out of body experiences, which apparently difficult for the subjects to describe, but appear religious in quality.<br /><br /><br /><br />I won't address Pepe. He's an idiot who thinks that 'the Spiritual Brain' is a science book.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-18820191226325996702012-04-25T17:31:10.313-04:002012-04-25T17:31:10.313-04:00bachfiend is always confused but he does not reali...bachfiend is always confused but he does not realize it. His love of (pseudo) science blinds him.<br />Poor soul, I will pray for him...Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.com