tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post2550606494947664473..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Jerry Coyne on Divine Command Theorymregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-88327271712080720202013-09-20T11:45:20.689-04:002013-09-20T11:45:20.689-04:00Ed Feser in "Aquinas: A Beginners Guide"...Ed Feser in "Aquinas: A Beginners Guide" does a decent enough job of deducing them from some initial assumptions. Calling those initial assumptions "facts of nature" is to distort what is normally meant by the terms "facts" and "nature" beyond the breaking point.Rianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021810579773953296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74676495521198707022013-09-16T13:17:07.022-04:002013-09-16T13:17:07.022-04:00This is why the Church would do well to teach Thom...This is why the Church would do well to teach Thomistic philosophy. All of those moral teachings are deducible from the facts of nature (Ed Feser has done a marvelous job expounding in his Aquinas: A Beginner's Guide).<br /><br />Scripture raises the standards. Murder is wrong, we can arrive at this conclusion through reason alone. <br /><br />"You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire" (Matthew 5:21)<br /><br />Repeat with the other "you have heard it said" sectionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-5362919305002995042013-09-16T11:57:35.874-04:002013-09-16T11:57:35.874-04:00So your dodge is now that Egnor does not think wha...So your dodge is now that Egnor does not think what he writes? Because if he does think what he writes, then, by your lights, he thinks "biology determines ethics".<br /><br />Why not just ask the man, Hoots? Oh, and about that kilobuck... You in for that?<br /><br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-89636572284207129112013-09-16T11:52:08.834-04:002013-09-16T11:52:08.834-04:00I couldn't know for sure what Egnor thinks. I ...I couldn't know for sure what Egnor thinks. I can, however, comprehend what he writes. You can't do even that. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83401481394715309062013-09-16T11:47:24.600-04:002013-09-16T11:47:24.600-04:00By the way, welcome back, Popster. I've missed...By the way, welcome back, Popster. I've missed you. Don't be a stranger.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-90079948991855924542013-09-16T11:42:50.080-04:002013-09-16T11:42:50.080-04:00How does "life begins at conception" imp...How does "life begins at conception" imply that "biology determines ethics".<br /><br />In fact, I'll bet that something very much like this is what informs Egnor's ethical choices:<br /><br /><i>You formed my inmost being;<br />you knit me in my mother’s womb.<br />I praise you, because I am wonderfully made;<br />wonderful are your works!<br />My very self you know.<br />My bones are not hidden from you...</i><br />--- Psalm 139<br /><br />Of course, we could always ask him what he thinks. And I'm happy to do that as well as put a $1000 bet that my interpretation of his words more accurately reflects his actual beliefs. Care to take the bet?<br /><br />Or are you one of those "hilarious nutters" that "Somehow... know what other people actually think"? (Hoots, 8/30/13)Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28876772020224101152013-09-16T11:31:41.541-04:002013-09-16T11:31:41.541-04:00Reading comprehension fails you, admiral? Do cross...Reading comprehension fails you, admiral? Do crosswords in the morning. <br /><br />In Egnor's own words: "Coyne is <b>a biology professor</b>, so it's surprising that he <b>doesn't know that</b> in organisms that reproduce sexually <b>life begins at conception.</b>" <br /><br />Call the nurse if you need help. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-6163414357469027752013-09-16T11:28:31.500-04:002013-09-16T11:28:31.500-04:00You can look it up, Hoots. You're famous for y...You can look it up, Hoots. You're famous for your Google Eyes, myopic as they may be. I'm not your gofer, you silly child.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-89436257313821271362013-09-16T11:22:10.954-04:002013-09-16T11:22:10.954-04:00Popeye: "[Y]ou’re not trying to control anybo...Popeye: "[Y]ou’re not trying to control anybody’s behavior; you’re just giving them the 'facts' and letting them decide."<br /><br />You have a better way? Isn't that how you want to be treated, Popeye? Or would a cattle prod turn you on? ;-)Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-85991901438484935032013-09-16T11:19:53.166-04:002013-09-16T11:19:53.166-04:00Egnor suggests that? Says hoo?Egnor suggests that? Says hoo?Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-85780446016878703502013-09-16T11:17:44.764-04:002013-09-16T11:17:44.764-04:00As usual, you are wrong on both counts. Those are ...As usual, you are wrong on both counts. Those are not the only two choices. Christians are bound by the New Covenant. You can look that up and study it, along with the Noahide Commandments referred to in Acts. If you have any specific questions I'll be delighted to answer them.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83104159384976152782013-09-16T10:47:54.602-04:002013-09-16T10:47:54.602-04:00So who decides whether it has been violated? The H...So who decides whether it has been violated? The Holy Spirit? Or mortal men? <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-87843848210145361502013-09-16T10:47:03.846-04:002013-09-16T10:47:03.846-04:00Admiral
I am not the one who suggests that biolog...Admiral<br /><br />I am not the one who suggests that biology determines ethics. Egnor does. Stick it to him. LOL<br /><br />Hoo Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70537307113449957452013-09-16T10:45:31.530-04:002013-09-16T10:45:31.530-04:00That's an interesting theological conclusion, ...That's an interesting theological conclusion, admiral. Does <a href="http://biblehub.com/acts/15-10.htm" rel="nofollow">Acts 15:10</a> and on invalidate all of the Old Testament or do you, guys, get to pick and choose which parts of it to follow? Enquiring minds want to know. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-75693308721042016982013-09-16T10:40:02.237-04:002013-09-16T10:40:02.237-04:00Hoots makes the point that "An ethical questi...Hoots makes the point that "An ethical question should not be reduced to a biological one"<br /><br />Interestingly, Coyne suggests that there are two roots: "evolution [biological] and secular reasoning" (USA Today).<br /><br />We've discussed the secular reasoning argument above (e.g., no free will, the meaning of "is") Now Hoots himself lays open the fallacy of the materialist biological argument.<br /><br />Well done, Sir!<br /><br />However, the part of this ridiculous debate that I find most interesting is how materialists like Coyne, who deny free will, can conclude that a secular reasoning process can produce ethics with moral weight. In their reasoning from Nietzschean principles, did Leopold and Loeb not do precisely what Coyne is suggesting and did Coyne himself not admire Darrow's argument to that effect?<br /><br />If Coyne has no free will, on what basis would he condemn (if he would) Leopold and Loeb? That he is an Über-Übermensch?Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-53251303308133549432013-09-16T10:27:56.815-04:002013-09-16T10:27:56.815-04:00“The Church doesn't "control" anyone...“The Church doesn't "control" anyone's sex life.”<br /><br />That doesn’t keep them from trying. Vows of celibacy, dictating acceptable birth control practices for the flock, controlling the birth control insurance coverage of their employees, labeling certain sexual practices between consenting adults “sin”, etc.; the church is positively obsessed with sex.<br /><br />“Homosexual conduct is a sin.”<br /><br />And what happens to unrepentant sinners? They get tortured forever. But no, you’re not trying to control anybody’s behavior; you’re just giving them the “facts” and letting them decide.<br /><br />-KW <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-66709616902829668892013-09-16T10:16:36.590-04:002013-09-16T10:16:36.590-04:00Precisely put, Hoots. The mantra of a social darwi...Precisely put, Hoots. The mantra of a social darwinist.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-33136587706436791932013-09-16T08:48:12.886-04:002013-09-16T08:48:12.886-04:00Leviticus 20:13 is merely one statute in Mosaic La...Leviticus 20:13 is merely one statute in Mosaic Law. It was determined by the Council of Jerusalem, presided over by Peter (Acts 15, particularly vv. 10-11) that most of the Mosaic Law did not apply to Christians.<br /><br />Glad to be of assistance.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-48420774447304085092013-09-16T08:40:22.810-04:002013-09-16T08:40:22.810-04:00Catholicism teaches against the death penalty in a...<i>Catholicism teaches against the death penalty in all cases.</i><br /><br />It sure took them a long time to figure that out from the New Testament. As recently as 1969 capital punishment was legal in the Vatican.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-8389538539500312842013-09-16T08:39:09.568-04:002013-09-16T08:39:09.568-04:00Marriage is a sacrament requiring consent of both ...Marriage is a sacrament requiring consent of both parties.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27894019902578531392013-09-16T08:36:12.974-04:002013-09-16T08:36:12.974-04:00You're missing the point, Joey. The pedophile ...You're missing the point, Joey. The pedophile mafia and their useful idiot Egnor are lying about the effectiveness of condoms. Even if people ignore the bankrupt "moral teaching" of the Vatican, they might just buy the factual lies and place themselves and their sexual partners at risk.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-21114685920178452032013-09-16T08:34:18.639-04:002013-09-16T08:34:18.639-04:00So, marriage is a sacrament unless it is not? That...So, marriage is a sacrament unless it is not? That's very coherent, admiral, even for you! <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-64405879331068472652013-09-16T08:33:04.043-04:002013-09-16T08:33:04.043-04:00Joey, can you cite the chapter and verse in the Ne...Joey, can you cite the chapter and verse in the New Testament that annuls Leviticus 20:13? <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-20367479665122806532013-09-16T08:32:09.998-04:002013-09-16T08:32:09.998-04:00Hoots, you should avoid comment on issues about wh...Hoots, you should avoid comment on issues about which you are largely ignorant.<br /><br /><i>If consent is lacking there is no marriage... The consent must be an act of will of each of the contracting parties, free of coercion or grave external fear.</i><br />--- Catechism of the Catholic Church<br /><br />An annulment is simply a finding that the requirements of the sacrament were not met and a marriage never occurred (null: absent or nonexistent; anull: to declare as null) The existence of a document in a drawer in a courthouse isn't relevant to the sacrament.<br /><br />Now what were you saying about John Calvin? I'm thinking we had not yet fully plumbed the depths of your ignorance on that matter, either.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-60791489485553459302013-09-16T08:28:44.976-04:002013-09-16T08:28:44.976-04:00Great post, Egnor. This Coyne is just an irrationa...Great post, Egnor. This Coyne is just an irrational bigot. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com