tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post4369236210557680663..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Global warming loons rescued from 'The Ship of Fools'mregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-47533201996350128492014-01-07T07:12:23.464-05:002014-01-07T07:12:23.464-05:00Egnor lost.Egnor lost.Leonhardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815705241524089233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-43685330193381511462014-01-03T20:07:02.369-05:002014-01-03T20:07:02.369-05:00Eugen,
Dr Tim Ball isn't a climatologist. He...Eugen,<br /><br />Dr Tim Ball isn't a climatologist. He's a geographer. He's also a serial liar, claiming amongst other things that he was the first Canadian to be awarded a PhD in climatology (there were previous Canadians with climatology PhD.s and his PhD was in historical geography, not climatology). And that he was professor of climatology at Winnepeg University. He wasn't. He was professor of geography from 1988 to 1996.<br /><br />He's not a thorn in the side. He's just a hired gun for such bodies as the Heartland Institute.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-30405832356201641372014-01-03T19:45:39.896-05:002014-01-03T19:45:39.896-05:00And Mawson purchased the ship and hired his captai...And Mawson purchased the ship and hired his captain, and couldn't order his captain where to go. He was just a passenger.<br /><br />Turney chartered the ship, with its crew and captain. The crew is responsible to the captain, and the captain responsible to the owners, in this case the Russian government. He had even less power than Mawson.<br /><br />I read the expedition's aims. They have 'junket' written all over them. The journal 'Science' often has advertisements for expeditions to various exotic areas, with lecturers accompanying the trips to give a veneer of education. The Australian Medical Association a few years ago had an Antarctic cruise/conference with the theme of 'polar medicine' (the number of Australian doctors requiring expertise in polar medicine - and this conference wouldn't provide it - could be counted on the fingers of one hand). It was obviously a rort to get a tax deductible holiday.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-85632619725272555412014-01-03T18:20:43.262-05:002014-01-03T18:20:43.262-05:00Senile old fart,
I've just seen your longer c...Senile old fart,<br /><br />I've just seen your longer comment. You still have shit for brains. I justed noted that I wouldn't do another Antarctic cruise. However, the one I did was fantastic. Well worth the money. I did do the Arctic cruise after the Antarctic cruise, after all.<br /><br />The Russian research ships are small, with 100 passengers at most. Passengers are allowed on the bridge, provided they don't get in the way of the crew.<br /><br />The expedition leader often discussed the itinerary for the next day with the captain in front of passengers. Weather conditions determine what is or isn't feasible.<br /><br />It's impossible to retrace Mawson's expedition, because Mawson didn't actually know where he was going in the first place. His first choice was taken by Scott. He was aiming to put three parties ashore, but weather conditions and sea ice made landing impossible over much of the coast.<br /><br />Re-enacting Mawson's expedition would have been achieved by going somewhere else other than where Mawson actually reached.<br /><br />The trip was thwarted by the weather - strong southerlies blowing pack ice around the ship which was frozen solid by the extremely cold winds (katabatic winds?).<br /><br />The captain of a ship has the final say as to where the ship does or does not go. It applied in Mawson's day. It still applies today. Mawson wasn't able to get his captain to go where the captain feared he'd be unable to retreat from.<br /><br />It's safer today than in Mawson's day, but there's still a risk.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-81769306588221180672014-01-03T16:42:05.152-05:002014-01-03T16:42:05.152-05:00buttfull: "The patent might survive, because ...buttfull: "The patent might survive, <i><b>because there's no other company interested in it.</b></i>"<br /><br />:-D<br /><br />No shit, Sherlock.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74506676037770705782014-01-03T16:38:08.367-05:002014-01-03T16:38:08.367-05:00Senile old fart,
I read the patent application. ...Senile old fart,<br /><br />I read the patent application. They're attempting to patent the process of making biochar - using an industrial sized microwave - not biochar itself.<br /><br />The patent might survive, because there's no other company interested in it. If it turns out to be effective, then other companies are entitled to break the patent if they desire, and run the risk of being sued.<br /><br />Companies often attempt to protect their patents on ideas you and I might consider not able to be patented. Such as Apple suing Samsung.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-4256323016277548442014-01-03T16:31:12.167-05:002014-01-03T16:31:12.167-05:00buttfull, a tourist cruise is a cruise for tourist...buttfull, a tourist cruise is a cruise for tourists, arranged by other people and for pleasure and sightseeing. This was not a tourist cruise.<br /><br /><i>[W]e intend to lead a <b>privately-funded voyage of discovery</b> to the Antarctic during the Austral summer of 2013-2014.<br />Taking a team of 36 women and men south, the new Australasian Antarctic Expedition (AAE) aims to discover just how much change has taken place in this very special part of our planet.</i><br /><br />Doktah Turnip's own words, moron. It's a pity you have such pathetic research skills. Google is designed to be usable by morons, but it appears they set the bar too high for you.<br /><br /><i><b>Retracing the route of the original AAE a century ago</b>, [Team Turnip] members will repeat the same measurements made on Mawson’s expedition and aim to fulfil the one failed objective: to reach the South Magnetic Pole. </i><br /><br />If Turnip was to go forward "Retracing the [original] route" to the South magnetic pole, the captain can't just substitute "other locations favoured by the weather conditions". The "Expedition Leader" can't assemble the tourists and say "We'll need to skip the Magnificent Expanse of Cold Water today and go view the Big Hunk of Ice because the the Captain doesn't like the cut of the jib on those clouds. But we're still on for Roasted Krill and Iceberg Cocktails in the Engine Room at 6." You do know what "retrace" and "route" mean, I assume? Or are they like "compression", simply patterns of letters you attempt to redefine defending your blind, simple-minded ideological biases?<br /><br />As I said, you have never chartered anything, my little bolshevik, so you have no idea what the big boys do. And you were never part of a team on one of your ridiculous tourist cruises, unless they needed you for ballast. Or shark chum. You were greentard deadweight with money draped over it. <br /><br />$A12,000 to go look at some ice on a random walk defined by a cash-poor vodka-sucking sailor on a rented Russian tub? You're a smart cookie, buttfull. Sharp eye for a deal. As you admit yourself, the pictures you can look at online are better.<br /><br />But hey, for a mere $US250,000 I have a solar panel company you might want to buy. You can route the money to me through the Nigerian Finance Minister.<br /><br />Let me know.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-91062351092456085892014-01-03T16:31:02.327-05:002014-01-03T16:31:02.327-05:00This is all a repeat of the thread from 26th Septe...This is all a repeat of the thread from 26th September, 2013 'Warming pause is actually 22 years', in which Egnor idiotically parrots Steve Goddard's moronic assertion that the 'pause' is actually 22 years.<br /><br />Because the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 masked the El Niño years from then, causing cooler global temperatures.<br /><br />So if you manually adjust the global temperatures by making it a bit warmer for the next few years, the graph is flat for 22 years.<br /><br />The only trouble is that if you admit that the eruption of Mount Pinatubo is masking the warmer El Niño years, then you have to also adjust for the strong El Niño year in 1998 and manually adjust temperatures down, the moderate La Niña year of 2012, and adjust temperatures up, and the rapid industrialisation of China and India since 2000, with the burning of 'dirty' coal - resulting in an effect similar to a volcanic eruption - and adjust temperatures up again.<br /><br />And the 'pause' disappears.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-67206026059785095692014-01-03T15:10:40.097-05:002014-01-03T15:10:40.097-05:00[The oceans are warming. The cryosphere is melting...[The oceans are warming. The cryosphere is melting. Global warming is happening.]<br /><br />That's scary. I'll give you complete control of human life. Please save us. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-45718771188251779162014-01-03T13:48:51.474-05:002014-01-03T13:48:51.474-05:00Global warming doesn't just include the lower ...Global warming doesn't just include the lower atmosphere. It also includes the oceans, the cryosphere (ice and snow) and the ground.<br /><br />The oceans are warming. The cryosphere is melting. Global warming is happening.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-7250377935749347292014-01-03T13:43:14.363-05:002014-01-03T13:43:14.363-05:00Senile old fart,
A tourist cruise is a charter. ...Senile old fart,<br /><br />A tourist cruise is a charter. The organisers charter the ship from the owners, in this case the Russian government.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-63004211459295074282014-01-03T12:46:13.994-05:002014-01-03T12:46:13.994-05:00It's amazing that Egnor begins every time by d...It's amazing that Egnor begins every time by denying the reality of the global warming. After some badgering he admits that the warming is occurring and then switches to denying that it is manmade. Works every time, like a charm.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-6416683630438922582014-01-03T12:39:27.433-05:002014-01-03T12:39:27.433-05:00So here is what Muller thinks about global warming...So here is what Muller thinks about global warming (from the same interview): <br /><br /><i>Look – global warming is real and it’s caused by humans. </i> <br /><br />How about that, Mr. Smartpants?<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-17805788468946308662014-01-03T12:36:35.978-05:002014-01-03T12:36:35.978-05:00Hoo:
The validity of the BEST data and conclusion...Hoo:<br /><br />The validity of the BEST data and conclusions is still open to debate, obviously, but I find it remarkable that you would cite BEST. BEST was started as an effort to circumvent incompetent and dishonest climate science. Are you admitting that the predicate for BEST, as emphatically stated by Richard Muller, is true? mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-20325932532379056272014-01-03T12:31:29.614-05:002014-01-03T12:31:29.614-05:00What about Muller's own conclusions regarding ...What about Muller's own conclusions regarding the warming? Aren't you aware of them? Wasn't Judith Curry part of his team? <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83377929210557535842014-01-03T12:29:52.680-05:002014-01-03T12:29:52.680-05:00Egnor: #1 is now discredited. There has been no wa...Egnor: <i>#1 is now discredited. There has been no warming for 18 years. </i> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php" rel="nofollow">Actual temperature records</a> 1996-2014: <br />GISTEMP: trend = +0.104 °C/decade, σ = 0.055 °C/decade.<br />NOAA: trend = +0.082 °C/decade, σ = 0.053 °C/decade.<br />HADCRUT4: trend = +0.089 °C/decade, σ = 0.055 °C/decade.<br /><br />No warming in 18 years? I don't think so.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-39610714640846554212014-01-03T12:27:46.927-05:002014-01-03T12:27:46.927-05:00Hoo:
Do you accept Richard Muller's conclusio...Hoo:<br /><br />Do you accept Richard Muller's conclusions about the dishonesty of climate scientists? <br /><br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/09/a-fascinating-new-interview-with-prof-richard-muller-quote-on-climategate-what-they-did-was-i-think-shameful-and-it-was-scientific-malpractice/mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-78711687623913839672014-01-03T12:16:11.725-05:002014-01-03T12:16:11.725-05:00KW:
Your "warmest year" crap is meaning...KW:<br /><br />Your "warmest year" crap is meaningless. It hasn't shit to do with the actual science. 1936 was one of the warmest years recorded-- that does not mean it was caused by AGW.<br /><br />The AGW claim is that rising levels of man-made CO2 are causing global warming. The scientific evidence necessary to demonstrate that would include:<br /><br />1) Evidence of warming<br /><br />2) Evidence of warming not explained by natural variation and non-CO2 causes.<br /><br />3) Evidence of warming predicted by models and not explained by natural variation and non-CO2 causes. <br /><br />#1 is now discredited. There has been no warming for 18 years. <br /> #2 if there had been warming, it would still not be evidence for AGW. <br />#3 AGW models would have to predict accurately the correlation between human CO2 emissions, atmospheric CO2, and global warming-- something they have absolutely failed to do.<br /><br />In fact, CO2 levels in the atmosphere have increased substantially, <em>without</em> warming. Post-hoc excuses as to why AGW models failed to predict this negative result are worthless science, except as evidence for the incompetence/mendacity of AGW scientists. <br /><br />The concurrence of rising CO2 and stable temperature is powerful <em>evidence</em> against AGW, as any honest scientist would admit.<br /><br /> mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-54028614863351421592014-01-03T11:46:30.016-05:002014-01-03T11:46:30.016-05:00barkmad, it wasn't a "cruise". A tou...barkmad, it wasn't a "cruise". A tourist cruise is not a charter. You've never chartered anything in your life beyond, perhaps, a taxicab to the airport. That much is obvious.<br /><br />And read the "patent application" for yourself.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-35310589125060919692014-01-03T11:28:51.871-05:002014-01-03T11:28:51.871-05:00Do you have anything coherent to say on the subjec...Do you have anything coherent to say on the subject of <a href="http://www.berkeleyearth.org/" rel="nofollow">BEST</a>? It surely satisfies your majesty's demands number 1, 2, and 4, which also automatically obviates the need for 3. <br /><br />Can't figure out whether you more stupidity than malice.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70591040592224277082014-01-03T11:27:37.120-05:002014-01-03T11:27:37.120-05:00According to NASA, 2010 was the warmest year, but ...According to NASA, 2010 was the warmest year, but of course climate deniers have a vested interest in clinging to the cherry-picked data that allows them to claim 1998. The data below shows both the annual mean and 5 year mean variance in deg. C from a 1951-80 average baseline. This is tabulated because Climate change deniers have yet to demonstrate the ability to read graphs.<br /><br />http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.txt<br /><br /><br />As you can see, there were three subsequent years warmer than 1998, and one tie. Don’t worry you can still claim that the earth has been cooling since 2010.<br /><br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-21959357704703200452014-01-03T11:16:02.667-05:002014-01-03T11:16:02.667-05:00Egnor:
1) Scientists who behave ethically.
2) Ope...Egnor: <br /><i>1) Scientists who behave ethically.<br />2) Open-source data and complete transparency<br />3) Prompt and full compliance with FOIA requests<br />4) A practical distinction between analysis and advocacy on the part of scientists. <br />5) Accurate predictions by climate models <br />6) Honest discussion of inaccurate predictions </i> <br /><br />Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project has all of its raw data posted online. The scientists behind it include Judith Curry (whom Egnor considers kosher). <br /><br />This list of demands is a joke. Egnor is a stupid liar.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-37931872358543962322014-01-03T11:13:07.539-05:002014-01-03T11:13:07.539-05:00Oops, the last sentence should have read (your apo...Oops, the last sentence should have read (your apologies for your more blatant errors of fact) 'they just DON'T happen'.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-54531222153120168062014-01-03T11:09:56.449-05:002014-01-03T11:09:56.449-05:00Egnor,
Remind me again about ID's prediction ...Egnor,<br /><br />Remind me again about ID's prediction that 'junk' DNA doesn't exist - it's all functional. When challenged, you changed your tune, and noted it was a 'postdiction'.<br /><br />I claim a 'postdiction' in this case too. If you cherry pick the data set and begin with a warm year in 1998 due to an abnormally strong El Niño (resulting in heat being dumped into the atmosphere) and finish with a moderate La Niña year in 2012, which has the opposite effect, with more heat being retained in the oceans and resulting in a cooler atmosphere, then you're going to get the false impression of a 'pause'.<br /><br />Warmer oceans, stronger hurricanes.<br /><br />ENSO (el Nino Southern Oscillation) events are unpredictable. They're less predictable than predictions concerning your apologies for your more blatant errors of fact. They just happen.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74297017784951490992014-01-03T10:57:00.882-05:002014-01-03T10:57:00.882-05:00Senile old fart,
I've been on two cruises to ...Senile old fart,<br /><br />I've been on two cruises to the Arctic and the Antarctic on Russian research vessels. Each cruise had an 'expedition leader' responsible for the other guides (and there are a lot of guides on such cruises to do talks, operate the zodiacs, carry a rifle in case of polar bears during land excursions in the Arctic).<br /><br />The expedition leader had no decision making power regarding where the ship went. An itinerary was published, but the cruise hardly ever went to the advertised visiting sites.<br /><br />The ship's captain had all the power, deciding that certain locations were not feasible, and substituting other locations favoured by the weather conditions.<br /><br />And then the expedition leader explained the changed itinerary to the passengers.<br /><br />If you charter a plane, I doubt you'll be able to direct the pilot to land at an airfield affected by a snow storm, regardless of how much you've paid.<br /><br />And anyway, a patent for a process is justifiable. You can patent a new process even if there are other processes in use producing the same product, in this case biochar.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.com