tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post4541781181025811876..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Was it sweat glands or tiny boobs? Evolutionary science never rests. mregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-42653242641392397692014-04-23T00:29:38.252-04:002014-04-23T00:29:38.252-04:00I know that God gave Adam nipples, because all of ...I know that God gave Adam nipples, because all of the paintings of the Garden of Eden showed him with nipples (and a navel).<br /><br />And no theologian complained about the depiction being wrong.<br /><br />If they can't get the minor points right, what is the chance they're right on the major points?bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-23065678470872013682014-04-23T00:21:10.729-04:002014-04-23T00:21:10.729-04:00LOL. What about Ken Miller? He is a Catholic and y...LOL. What about Ken Miller? He is a Catholic and yet he doesn't buy Behe's arguments. <br /><br />In fact, I have previously linked to Miller's rebuttal to Behe, so I suppose you need a new argument. By your veritable standards! <br /><br />Tata,<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-21638983213844072232014-04-22T23:50:02.643-04:002014-04-22T23:50:02.643-04:00Michael,
Evolution is parallel not sequential. T...Michael,<br /><br />Evolution is parallel not sequential. There might be 10 million living species - each of which has a history (often overlapping with others) going back 3.8 billion years.<br /><br />Each living species evolves together with its neighbours not independently.<br /><br />Sexual reproduction didn't develop until about 2 billion years ago. Sex, as in internal fertilisation (requiring external sex organs), didn't develop until about 500 million years ago.<br /><br />Anyway. Science doesn't prove theories. It fails to disprove them. If you have evidence against evolution, then what is it? <br /><br />By the way, an example of a species developing a new organ due to evolution is provided by the Italian wall lizard Podarcis secula which was transplanted to the Adriatic Island of Mrcara in 1971 where it eats more vegetation than insects (its usual food). In 2008, the Mrcara population was found to have developed as a new feature caecal valves, which allows it to digest the cellulose in its vegetation diet.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51358200670627147472014-04-22T23:49:40.858-04:002014-04-22T23:49:40.858-04:00Logic really isn't your strong suit is it, Hoo...Logic really isn't your strong suit is it, HooHoo? Whether I copied and pasted is irrelevant to the point. The point is -- your claim that bacteria have evolved is complete BS. Whether I refute it with original content or present Dr Behe to do it -- it is still refuted -- or at least left in doubt enough that a reasonable person would not be so dogmatic, but not you guys. Why is that? Because it is religion to you. You believe by faith. The sooner you come to grips with that the better off you'll be and you might even be able to do some original thinking of your own for once in your life. Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51574697965693115422014-04-22T18:12:51.168-04:002014-04-22T18:12:51.168-04:00Scary? I haven't seen a shred of an original t...Scary? I haven't seen a shred of an original thought from you, Big Rich. You just recycle stuff from ENV. Copy and paste, copy and paste. Nothing interesting. <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51103869210018361722014-04-22T18:07:57.758-04:002014-04-22T18:07:57.758-04:00Tell your parents I said hello when you go back to...Tell your parents I said hello when you go back to their basement tonight, hoohoo. Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-42090463985618604802014-04-22T18:05:23.814-04:002014-04-22T18:05:23.814-04:00troy, you haven't produced a shred of evidence...troy, you haven't produced a shred of evidence for evolution. Logic isn't your strong suit, I see. Show me a living creature that suddenly develops a new organ via evolution. *pffft*<br /><br /><i>Never gonna happen</i>.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-84034689814339985662014-04-22T18:04:57.744-04:002014-04-22T18:04:57.744-04:00Hahaha! Ooooooh! Scary! What's wrong, Hoo,hoo?...Hahaha! Ooooooh! Scary! What's wrong, Hoo,hoo? Like to dish it out but can't handle it? Do they give a class on evasive responses when you join the Darwineey Club? Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-24797224430037554512014-04-22T18:00:34.329-04:002014-04-22T18:00:34.329-04:00You can't even bother to express in your own w...You can't even bother to express in your own words Behe's questions. Why would I bother to respond? Instead, I can point you to an article rebutting Behe's. <br /><br />You want that? <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-81189238188380091402014-04-22T17:57:23.756-04:002014-04-22T17:57:23.756-04:00Rich, I know for a fact that God gave Adam nipples...Rich, I know for a fact that God gave Adam nipples. He told me last night at the bar. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65559897227531948112014-04-22T17:55:42.266-04:002014-04-22T17:55:42.266-04:00And who the fuck are you to boss me around, Rich? ...And who the fuck are you to boss me around, Rich? You don't know squat about biology, as far a I am concerned, and can only copy and paste BS from ENV.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-18861079938981991092014-04-22T17:54:01.195-04:002014-04-22T17:54:01.195-04:00Boy Troy/Hoo, you're avoiding the question. Le... Boy Troy/Hoo, you're avoiding the question. Let me state it again and perhaps you can answer directly this time. Here it is: How do you know God gave Adam nipples or a navel? So to simplify it for you since it must be too difficult for you, the question is, "HOW DO YOU KNOW? Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28105108943422368232014-04-22T17:49:48.617-04:002014-04-22T17:49:48.617-04:00Hoo, are you ignoring your homework? Please read t...Hoo, are you ignoring your homework? Please read the article and reply to it point by point, and demonstrate to me you understand the genetic pathways necessary to create novel, new, irreducibly complex organs that would make E Coli something other than E Coli and I'm still waiting on your time prediction. How long before E Coli walks out of the petri dish as a complex new organism? If you're not going to answer, I can't be sure that I'm not wasting my time talking to an uneducated, ignorant fool. As it stands, the jury is still out on you. Troy is apparently a adolescent living in his parents basement and you appear to be a 40 year old living in his parents basement. Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74662203008989093002014-04-22T17:45:49.406-04:002014-04-22T17:45:49.406-04:00Why would Adam not have nipples? Nipples are as us...Why would Adam <i>not</i> have nipples? Nipples are as useless in men now as they would have been then, so no reason to think they were absent. <br /><br />The more pertinent question debated by theologians was whether Adam had a <i>navel</i>. What do you think, Rich? Did God equip Adam with a navel just for fun or was Adam without one? <br /><br />And while we're at it, if God made man in His own image, does God have a penis? What for? <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-12420141324772584112014-04-22T17:41:28.523-04:002014-04-22T17:41:28.523-04:00Boy Troy? Where's my answer? I asked you how y...Boy Troy? Where's my answer? I asked you how you knew that God gave Adam nipples? You're not running away are you? <br />Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-867935977129046292014-04-22T17:06:33.570-04:002014-04-22T17:06:33.570-04:00Michael:
Then it would need to be able to multipl...Michael:<br /><br /><i>Then it would need to be able to multiply without the assistance of sexual organs.</i><br /><br />Hahaha. That's a good one. What creationist website did you copy that from? <br /><br />"Them crazy godless biologists expect us to believe that God's creatures can multiply without a man's penis sowing his seed in a woman's womb? That's unbiblical crazy talk I tell y'all. Hallelujah"<br /><br />Keep up the good work, Michael. You're doing a fine job making creationists looking like lunatics.<br /><br />troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44619337207287806332014-04-22T11:37:01.782-04:002014-04-22T11:37:01.782-04:00Big Rich, you've got to admire the rigor with ...Big Rich, you've got to admire the rigor with which they dress their ideology up as <i>science</i> while simultaneously contradicting it.<br /><br />Just to create a computer requires various materials and extensive technical knowledge of coding which must first be written and compiled and some form of processor must be designed to run the rest of the circuitry board. Further, there needs to be a power supply and everything has to work cohesively in order for the computer to function. All of this requires <i>intelligent guidance</i>.<br /><br />Another ad absurdity of evolution is that it would necessarily require billions of incremental, beneficial steps in order to arrive at all the life around today. In other words, it would take <i>trillions</i> of years, not billions as they suggest. First, first life would need appear from non-life, miraculously. Then it would need to be able to multiply without the assistance of sexual organs. After that, each incremental little evolutionary feature would need to be sustained via constant reproduction, somehow. After that, it would need to develop tissue, organs, reproductive organs, et al. and eventually separate into distinct species. All the while, what is sustaining all this primordial life and what mechanism would enable it to gradually accumulate the information necessary to become a more complex life-form? The theory of evolution doesn't even pass the small test because it isn't science -- it is ideology.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-29891803031811128582014-04-22T10:16:24.724-04:002014-04-22T10:16:24.724-04:00Rich, we all can throw around URL links. Making an...Rich, we all can throw around URL links. Making an actual argument is a lot harder. Let's see how well you understand biology to begin with. <br /><br />How do you define species in non-sexually reproducing organisms such as bacteria? <br /><br />Do you know how biologists distinguish <i>E. coli</i> from other bacteria? (Hint: this involves citrate.) <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-34698291663459755052014-04-22T10:08:21.704-04:002014-04-22T10:08:21.704-04:00Here's a bit of homework for you woefully igno...Here's a bit of homework for you woefully ignorant evos. Your assignment is to read and tell me why I should believe that at some future date we will see something other than E. coli in Lenskis petri- dish. Telling me to take a leap of faith like you all have done is unacceptable. I need a hard time estimate of when I can expect a new species to emerge. I'm making it easy for you. I am not asking for the pathway and time needed for complex new organs but you true believers should be asking yourselves that (I won't hold my breath).. I just want a new species of bacteria. That should be easy for your Almighty Darwin. <br /><br />http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/11/rose-colored_gl066361.html. Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-47345882762773209242014-04-22T09:52:41.995-04:002014-04-22T09:52:41.995-04:00Creationists are good at ankle biting, but once th...Creationists are good at ankle biting, but once they are asked to present some theory of their own, it's a laugh riot. <br /><br />Could you define for us what you mean by irreducible complexity, Big Rich? Behe's concept, I will remind you, was half-baked and his examples (e.g. the blood-clotting cascade) turned out to be <a href="http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/DI/Clotting.html" rel="nofollow">reducible</a>. Maybe you can do better than him. <br /><br />The author of that linked counter example is Ken Miller, a professor of biology at Brown, and a practicing Catholic. So leave your atheism inferiority complex behind.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-58331176718000251882014-04-22T09:42:54.179-04:002014-04-22T09:42:54.179-04:00You guys are so funny. Complete delusion is always...You guys are so funny. Complete delusion is always great comedy. At the rate it's going, how long before the bacteria grows legs and crawls out of the Petri dish, Hoo? I would like an estimate. It's you that need to do your homework, but it wouldn't matter. Whatever happens is always evolution. Unfalsifiable and insignificant but tremendous evidence for evoultion. Hilarious delusion. Nothing in Lenskis bacteria supports the idea that irreducibility complex novel new organs will ever show up. In 50,000 generations or 50,000,000,000,000 generations but because of your commitment to your religion, you believe this complete horse shit by faith. You guys are more delusional that the craziest cult. Scientology has nothing on you folks. As Darwinism continues to fall apart, and join alchemy on the dust bin of worthless ideas, it is amazing to watch the desperation of its most devoted believers. You guys never disappoint. Big Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13222433855783705707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44669841252599644872014-04-22T09:39:00.251-04:002014-04-22T09:39:00.251-04:00Michael, are you saying it’s impossible for an iso...Michael, are you saying it’s impossible for an isolated population to accumulate enough “adaptation” that it no longer breeds with the parent population? What exactly makes it impossible? <br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-76972468093810100172014-04-22T08:26:00.485-04:002014-04-22T08:26:00.485-04:00As opposed to what, universes magically exploding ...As opposed to what, universes magically exploding into existence, complete with laws which give everything a functional purpose, and life which magically creates itself? Logical absurdity. Those guys in lab coats with degrees hanging on their walls just <i>can't</i> be wrong. Science has become the creed of the religion that is atheism.<br /><br />Bacteria is bacteria -- it will never gradually transform into a new species. Adaptation does not constitute for evolution, no way no how. Certain insects can adapt to new conditions and develop immunity to various toxins, however, <i>they'll always remain the same.</i> All that adaptation proves is that there's a built-in mechanism for accomplishing such.<br /><br />Christianity teaches us the truth, gives us a set of moral conduct to live by and provides hope for the afterlife. It also offers non-profit hospitals, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, community centers, home care, orphanages, et al. Sure beats living under communist rule.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-69208586997807004762014-04-22T08:07:51.318-04:002014-04-22T08:07:51.318-04:00Big Rich,
I thought so - what you'd expect to...Big Rich,<br /><br />I thought so - what you'd expect to see, if evolution is true, that the E. coli Lenski cultured would have 'grown some legs by now and walked out of the petri dish' would actually disprove evolution.<br /><br />The bacteria weren't under intense selection pressure - not compared to their nature environment in the colons of vertebrates (aerobes living in an anaerobic environment with only an occasional whiff of oxygen).<br /><br />They were in the bacterial idea of paradise - plenty of food, no predators and absolute freedom to divide as much as they wanted. And the more each bacterium divided the more likely was it that its clones would by chance be included in the random sample taken at the end of each day to be cultured the next day in a new flask.<br /><br />Favourable mutations led to more offspring and a greater probability of being carried on.<br /><br />Bacteria will always remain bacteria, if cultured by themselves. There are 3 domains of life - (eu)bacteria, Archaea (bacteria) and eukaryotes (cells with nuclei - which make up 'complex' life such as amoeba and vertebrates).<br /><br />Eukaryotes were derived from a fusion between an Archaea (bacterium) and a (eu)bacterium, the Archaea comprising most of the new cell, including the nucleus, and the (eu)bacterium certain cellular organelles such as the mitochondrion and the chloroplast (in plants).<br /><br />How is a single (eu)bacterium such as E. coli on its own going to produce anything more complex than a bacterium?<br /><br />Stasis in fossils is easily explained. Speciation is allopatric - a single population of one species is divided into two populations by a new geographical barrier, one very large (which provides all the fossils from the species) and one very small and localised (which provides no fossils).<br /><br />Small localised populations evolve faster than larger more widely spread populations mainly because they're exposed to more intense and uniform selection pressure. And then the environment changes, the geographical barrier disappears and the two populations merge. If the smaller population is better suited to the new conditions it outcompetes the larger population which disappears, including in the fossil record.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65712164975538769832014-04-22T08:02:37.542-04:002014-04-22T08:02:37.542-04:00Did you bother to read anything about the experime...Did you bother to read anything about the experiment, Rich, or do you just riff from memory? Why don't you find out how their <i>E. coli</i> gained the ability to live off citrate, something they hadn't been able to do normally? Why don't you learn how many mutations were involved in this? <br /><br />Do your homework and come back. Otherwise it's not worth wasting my time.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com