tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post7262139172637143408..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Jerry Coyne collaborates with Holocaust deniersmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-33209801204234831332014-02-12T07:04:44.598-05:002014-02-12T07:04:44.598-05:00Godwin's Law in full effect.Godwin's Law in full effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9240652695202136642013-12-14T23:12:57.702-05:002013-12-14T23:12:57.702-05:00Every sentence on this site makes me cringe. Not o...Every sentence on this site makes me cringe. Not only are you just as offensive as the examples of atheists you bring up, you have no reasoning. I also believe you have a kinky thing for someone named Coyne, you seem obsessed with him and atheists. Who gave this conservative a computer? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-32297902192506258552013-07-25T04:38:30.845-04:002013-07-25T04:38:30.845-04:00do you mean this?
http://www.campusreform.org/blog...do you mean this?<br />http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4766Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-25994752184503514872013-07-24T22:03:08.550-04:002013-07-24T22:03:08.550-04:00I admire the author's mental gymnastics to try...I admire the author's mental gymnastics to try to tar people whom he hates with the most disgusting pejorative he can. My, what a fantastic species we are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-37542081658393800702013-07-24T21:14:12.678-04:002013-07-24T21:14:12.678-04:00Georgie,
You should get out of your bathtub and s...Georgie,<br /><br />You should get out of your bathtub and stop playing with your toy plastic battleships. It's water logging your brain. If it had been a Shoah memorial, just a Star of David would have been reasonable.<br /><br />Anyway, the Soviets won the war for the western allies. If it wasn't for the enormous casualties they incurred, the Germans would have been able to have had more troops to oppose the Normandy landings.<br /><br />The western democracies were unwilling to incur large numbers of casualties. That's what makes democracies worth living in.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-46168229416018593632013-07-24T19:39:14.458-04:002013-07-24T19:39:14.458-04:00I don't, crus. If you skim my previous comment...I don't, crus. If you skim my <a href="http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2013/07/jerry-coyne-collaborates-with-holocaust.html?showComment=1374684137438#c9119293852261708297" rel="nofollow">previous comments</a>, you will see that I do not agree with the FFRF. <br /><br />But I also don't think that their actions can be characterized as Holocaust denial. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-4713079121450992912013-07-24T19:36:08.085-04:002013-07-24T19:36:08.085-04:00If any of you have not researched the Wannsee conf...If any of you have not researched the Wannsee conference, here is an excellent introduction. This is an excellent if disturbing film version of the minutes of that conference called 'Conspiracy'. <br />Free to watch on Youtube<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-73427751300928844582013-07-24T19:34:43.299-04:002013-07-24T19:34:43.299-04:00Hoo,
How do you equate the symbolism of the yell...Hoo, <br /><br />How do you equate the symbolism of the yellow star (infamous) on a holocaust memorial with the 'promotion' of a single religion? The memorial does not suggest conversion to Judaism, it simply noted the Jews were the primary target of the machinery of the holocaust. They were. Also, you may want to consider the Nazis saw the Jews in racial terms. Their method was clinical and their justification was pseudo scientific; it was not a religious war. <br />They were not given the opportunity to convert. A drop of Jewish blood was enough to have you STERILIZED and your marriage dissolved. <br />The star was a symbol of that 'racial impurity'. <br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-60026870326457447302013-07-24T18:29:30.551-04:002013-07-24T18:29:30.551-04:00It is a denial of history. Like refusing to inclu...It is a denial of history. Like refusing to include a reference to the railroad tracks entering Auschwitz. Like removing the Spanish Mission Church cross from a government seal in California. You in favor of that denial of history as well, PROFESSOR?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05652227699197953483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-32906255215636878682013-07-24T18:16:38.682-04:002013-07-24T18:16:38.682-04:00The Holocaust had other victims besides Jews. The...The Holocaust had other victims besides Jews. There were about 11 million of them, of whom 6 million were Jews. The others included the Romani (gypsies), homosexuals, pacifists (such as Jehovah's Witnesses), Polish intellectuals, Slavs - anyone the Nazis considered inferior and not worthy of living.<br /><br />Ignoring the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust is as bad as Stalin's refusal to acknowledge its Jewish victims after Soviet troops captured Auschwitz in January, 1945.<br /><br />If the Holocaust Memorial included symbols of non-Jewish victims would you be happy? How about it including a 'Hammer and Sickle' to reflect the fact that the Nazis also included Russian and Ukrainian Slavs in their list of the inferior to be disposed of, including the millions of Soviet POWs captured in 1941 with no planning to feed them? And the plans to reduce the population of the Soviet Union, when defeated, by 20 to 30 million through starvation (including the 3 million in Leningrad, which was going to be eradicated)?bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-20628815342138905952013-07-24T14:31:46.592-04:002013-07-24T14:31:46.592-04:00You can dislike the FFRF all you want, but they do...You can dislike the FFRF all you want, but they do not deny the Holocaust in any way. They object to the promotion of one religion, but that is not the equivalent of Holocaust denial. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-45144832339848563262013-07-24T13:54:10.890-04:002013-07-24T13:54:10.890-04:00@Hoo:
Holocaust denial is Holocaust denial, whate...@Hoo:<br /><br />Holocaust denial is Holocaust denial, whatever the pretense. <br /><br />The FFRF objects to the Star of David because it casts religious believers in a sympathetic light. <br /><br />The FFRF is a hate group, and it naturally objects to any sympathetic portrayal of religion, even if it means denying a salient aspect of the Holocaust. megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-91192938522617082972013-07-24T12:42:17.438-04:002013-07-24T12:42:17.438-04:00LOL, doc, your attempts at obfuscation fail misera...LOL, doc, your attempts at obfuscation fail miserably. The FFRF objects to the display of the star of David not because they deny its relevance to the Holocaust but because they view it as a "constitutionally problematic endorsement of religion." <br /><br />I do not agree with the FFRF argument and think that it's perfectly fine for a museum of Holocaust to have a religious symbol incorporated within it. But you are clearly mischaracterizing their argumentation and I am calling you out on that.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-76476111669748881402013-07-24T12:33:27.825-04:002013-07-24T12:33:27.825-04:00@Hoo:
You admit the obvious: that the Star of Dav...@Hoo:<br /><br />You admit the obvious: that the Star of David has salience to the Holocaust. <br /><br />Presumably the FFRF agrees with you.<br /><br />Yet the FFRF demands that it be concealed.<br /><br />That is is denial of a salient aspect of the Holocaust. <br /><br />What's your problem?<br /><br />By the way, do you agree with the demand for concealment of the S of D? Should school text books show the banned symbol in photographs of Jews under Nazi oppression?<br /><br />How far do you want to carry the censorship?megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-92210439360198969072013-07-24T12:14:17.817-04:002013-07-24T12:14:17.817-04:00And now that you have admitted that the FFRF does ...And now that you have admitted that the FFRF does not deny the Holocaust, have the courage to retract the statement in the OP: "Coyne enlists <i>actual</i> Holocaust deniers."<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-41417213797897931322013-07-24T12:09:21.468-04:002013-07-24T12:09:21.468-04:00Of course it does! But nobody denies it.
HooOf course it does! But nobody denies it. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-46030277102957282502013-07-24T11:34:50.920-04:002013-07-24T11:34:50.920-04:00@Hoo:
Does the Star of David have salience to the...@Hoo:<br /><br />Does the Star of David have salience to the Holocaust?<br /><br />It's funny to watch you evade this obvious question.megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-43660577198087873992013-07-24T11:26:52.829-04:002013-07-24T11:26:52.829-04:00Ah, the sound of goalposts swooshing by! So, in yo...Ah, the sound of goalposts swooshing by! So, in your own words, the FFRF were not denying the Holocaust. Excellent! <br /><br />The only problem is that thus is in contradiction with the last line of your opening post, "Coyne enlists <i>actual</i> Holocaust deniers." Time to retract that. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-41875713379211665232013-07-24T11:14:33.612-04:002013-07-24T11:14:33.612-04:00@Hoo:
I didn't ask you if you thought that th...@Hoo:<br /><br />I didn't ask you if you thought that the FFRF was denying the Holocaust. <br /><br />I asked you if you agreed or disagreed with the statement: the Star of David is an aspect of the historical truth about the Holocaust.<br /><br /><br />So you are asserting that the Star of David is NOT part of the historical truth about the Holocaust?<br /><br />Why are you so reluctant to answer the question I asked?megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-36344770197042268092013-07-24T11:09:15.366-04:002013-07-24T11:09:15.366-04:00I've already answered your question in my prev...I've already answered your question in my previous comment, but I can repeat for the stupid: I deny that the actions of FFRF amount to Holocaust denial. They fit neither the commonly accepted definition of Holocaust denial, nor your watered-down version. <br /><br />The statement "the Star of David had no salience in the Holocaust" is your own invention, not a quote from FFRF. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-17587091705881067552013-07-24T11:04:58.915-04:002013-07-24T11:04:58.915-04:00@Hoo:
Holocaust denial is the denial of an aspect...@Hoo:<br /><br />Holocaust denial is the denial of an aspect of the historical truth about the Holocaust. It may be total denial ("the Holocaust never happened") or partial denial ("the Star of David had no salience in the Holocaust").<br /><br />There are different degrees of severity in Holocaust denial. <br /><br />My question, for the third time:<br /><br />Do you deny that the demand to ban the Star of David from a Holocaust museum is a demand to conceal an aspect of the historical truth about the Holocaust?<br /><br />megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-63551855937139357702013-07-24T10:56:31.544-04:002013-07-24T10:56:31.544-04:00Words have meanings, doc. Holocaust denial is defi...Words have meanings, doc. Holocaust denial is defined in my previous comment. FFRF's request to remove the star of David does not fit any of it. <br /><br />So, no, I don't agree that FFRF denies the Holocaust. Neither do you, deep down. But that's OK: a little bit of cognitive dissonance is good for you.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-5804219420529435012013-07-24T10:41:32.293-04:002013-07-24T10:41:32.293-04:00Holocaust denial takes many forms, some overt, som...Holocaust denial takes many forms, some overt, some subtle. <br /><br />I repeat my simple question:<br /><br />Do you deny that the demand to ban the Star of David from a Holocaust museum is a demand to conceal an aspect of the historical truth about the Holocaust?<br /><br />I substituted "deny" for "agree", to help clarify your answer.megnornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-14255688506430558762013-07-24T09:37:48.615-04:002013-07-24T09:37:48.615-04:00You had to redefine what Holocaust denial means. I...You had to redefine what Holocaust denial means. It's funny watching you go through these contortions. <br /><br />Keep up the good work, doc.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-90764751209139039642013-07-24T09:18:27.112-04:002013-07-24T09:18:27.112-04:00@Hoo:
Do you agree that the demand to ban the Sta...@Hoo:<br /><br />Do you agree that the demand to ban the Star of David from a Holocaust museum is a demand to conceal an aspect of the historical truth about the Holocaust?<br /><br />mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.com