tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post8017430388351157133..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: God, gays, and K'd up circuit boysmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-30572803436372133312012-01-22T23:12:39.602-05:002012-01-22T23:12:39.602-05:00Marriage is not a "right"
Wrong. Under...<i>Marriage is not a "right"</i><br /><br />Wrong. Under US law, marriage IS a right.<br /><br /><i>Loving v. Virginia: Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man"</i>Brian Westleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14191964121225569563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83542033590441727402012-01-15T23:44:30.328-05:002012-01-15T23:44:30.328-05:00No, I'm with you. I'm going to start leavi...No, I'm with you. I'm going to start leaving my comments at the bottom of threads, and just respond with @ symbols.<br /><br />It seems like a good idea, but I do think comments get missed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-72108228068588309892012-01-13T07:56:28.511-05:002012-01-13T07:56:28.511-05:00Think about it this way. If it's none of the g...<i>Think about it this way. If it's none of the government's business what two consenting adults do, why is it their business what THREE consenting adults do?</i><br /><br />And?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50911306252166725762012-01-13T04:27:41.713-05:002012-01-13T04:27:41.713-05:00@Mulder
"ALL of the girls?" No, not all...@Mulder<br /><br />"ALL of the girls?" No, not all of them. But the number was very high. Because it was fashionable and encouraged. <br /><br />"They still need that penis." Well, they can buy that at the store. But seriously, a woman does not need a penis (whether flesh or plastic) to sleep with another woman. Ask half the chicks in my school. The point I was trying to make is that lesbianism is the cool thing to do. So when I hear that "no one" would choose homosexuality because no one would choose to be an "oppressed" minority, my bullshit alarms starts howling. <br /><br />I can understand why men wouldn't want to be seen that way, but women? No, for women it's cool. That doesn't mean that homosexuality is healthy, or that the men who engage in it don't make conscious decisions. On the contrary. It just means that I don't think that they choose their attractions. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28974905003439093092012-01-13T04:23:04.430-05:002012-01-13T04:23:04.430-05:00"I guess i dont get your point here. How many..."I guess i dont get your point here. How many times do you see three people marrying each other? Or more?"<br /><br />The Mormons used to do it. The Muslims still do. Do you have a problem with that? My point is that you still think that restrictions should be set on who can marry whom. Restrictions that make sense to YOU. That's fine. Let's have a discussion as to what those restrictions might be. Let's hammer it out in a democratic fashion.<br /><br />But for the militant homosexual, there is no discussion and no democratic process. They should win even if 99% of the public were against it, they should still win because it's their "right". <br /><br />Marriage is not a "right" and two dudes don't constitute a marriage.<br /><br />Furthermore, the very basis of the "marriage equality" argument is that the current definition of marriage (in most states) is discriminatory and arbitrary. It discriminates against people who don't like that model. Hmmm...I guess the two-person model is discriminatory against people who want to marry three wives. They're IN LOVE after all. <br /><br />Think about it this way. If it's none of the government's business what two consenting adults do, why is it their business what THREE consenting adults do? <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-72878443989195349052012-01-13T02:56:16.381-05:002012-01-13T02:56:16.381-05:00Joey:
So let me state my position clearly. Two me...Joey:<br /><br /><i>So let me state my position clearly. Two men sodomizing each other in the privacy of their home should be legal, and it is. That does not mean that is moral. That does not mean that it is healthy. That does not mean that the culture needs to glorify it. That does not mean that the state needs to codify it into law. That does not mean that anyone who says that it's a health hazard is a "bigot". People who discuss the health hazards of sodomy aren't bigots, they're courageous truth-tellers living in a world of deceit.</i><br /><br />Hahaha. Courageous truth-tellers? Pathetic bigots you mean. You don't discuss the health hazards of anal sex between a man and a woman, do you? You don't warn about the dangers of eating pussy, do you? No, you selectively focus on "unhealthy" and "immoral" practices between men.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-89601022985709420022012-01-12T21:38:31.500-05:002012-01-12T21:38:31.500-05:00Joey:
"Uhhh.why only two? That seems pretty r...Joey:<br />"Uhhh.why only two? That seems pretty random. Did you pick that number out of a hat?"<br /><br />I guess i dont get your point here. How many times do you see three people marrying each other? Or more?<br /><br />"It wasn't all that long ago when I was in high school and all of the girls were sleeping with each other. No, not just for the entertainment of the guys either. They slept with each other with no one else around"<br /><br />ALL of the girls? And you know this how? I know MANY women will fantasize about being with another woman, or get excited watching lesbian porn, but actually taking part is a BIG step. They still need that penis. That masculinity..Mulderhttp://muldonia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-2577581164249582402012-01-12T18:46:11.170-05:002012-01-12T18:46:11.170-05:00Let's call off the crap of this shebang!
A ma...Let's call off the crap of this shebang!<br /><br />A man in love with a woman says "I love you!"<br />A woman in love with a man says "I love you!"<br /><br />A man in love with a man says "I suck you!"<br />A woman in love with a woman says "I lick you!"<br /><br />The Irish have a saying for this:<br />Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald!<br />or<br />Gerald Fitzpatricka and Patrick Fitzgeralda!<br /><br />Don't forget: EVOLUTION is based on REPRODUCTION!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-53027409685731538082012-01-12T17:12:08.121-05:002012-01-12T17:12:08.121-05:00Joey,
Anon thinks foreplay=sex act. He is confusi...Joey, <br />Anon thinks foreplay=sex act. He is confusing the Victorian legal definitions of the charges 'Buggery' and 'Sodomy' (inclusive of act such as oral sex) with the traditional meaning associated with Sodomites. Catamites are another subject. <br />Anon does not seem to discern between the two. <br />Perhaps simply out of convenience. Perhaps out of ignorance or inexperience. <br />Who knows?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-757640601100581182012-01-12T17:05:47.282-05:002012-01-12T17:05:47.282-05:00Very sharp, Trish.
You have sniffed out the PC bi...Very sharp, Trish. <br />You have sniffed out the PC bias of the academe.<br />Extremely well worded.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70846749662861589002012-01-12T17:00:25.259-05:002012-01-12T17:00:25.259-05:00@Trish,
Nice to see a new and sharp mind on Egnora...@Trish,<br />Nice to see a new and sharp mind on Egnorance! <br />Great comments :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-39374570233897409432012-01-12T16:55:09.286-05:002012-01-12T16:55:09.286-05:00"Okay, you're a liar."
I am destroye..."Okay, you're a liar."<br />I am destroyed? How will I ever get another command, now that anonymouse called me a liar. <br /><br />"I suspect that every one of your stories about your gay acquaintances are made up to trey and give you bullshit arguments a leg to stand on."<br /><br />Why on earth would I bother? I don't even know you? Lying to you would require me to care what you think; I don't. Honestly!<br /><br />"How do we know?"<br />We? You mean the other voices in your head? Or perhaps you are a monarch (Queen?). <br /><br />"Because if you had actual gay acquaintances,"<br />I will have to break the news to them: They're not gay. <br />Anonymouse said so!<br /><br />".. you'd realize that gay sex is not tantamount to anal sex (not even the word "sodomy" as used in a legal sense is restricted to anal sex)."<br />A student of Wiki. Would you prefer buggery? Or the term ANAL sex?<br /><br />There is a difference between the sex act and foreplay. You may want to look that up. <br /><br />"And as a result, you wouldn't be so seemingly obsessed with it."<br />Projection? <br /><br />"Further, if you had actual gay acquaintances you'd know that until very recently "sodomy" (including oral sex) was actually illegal in many parts of the United States (for everyone, not just homosexual partners), and many places still have those statutes on the books."<br />Not American, and neither are my gay family and friends...at least that I am aware of. Why should I be an expert on morality/vice law in a neighbouring land?<br /> <br /><br />"Sodomy is still illegal in Canada if more than two people are present. "<br />Good. Monogamous, caring homosexuals work in pairs. Orgies are another topic. <br /><br />"So, as usual, you are simply wrong on the facts."<br />What? As usual? <br />You seem to be coming apart here. No cohesion. What facts? What is the usual? This segment is non sequitur. Maybe a cut and paste error?<br /><br />"And if you had actual gay acquaintances, you'd know these things." <br />Know what 'things'? Carolina's sodomy laws? British buggery statutes? Oral sex? Foreplay? <br />I have no immediate interest in those aspects. We are not discussing them. <br />We are talking about HEALTH in relation to sodomy (anal sex), no? <br /><br />"But you don't know them, because you are nothing more than a liar who makes shit up."<br />I am an officer, a father, a husband, and good friend to many people including the homosexuals I know. <br />Your assertion -from a complete stranger - that I am 'no more' than ANYTHING is baseless. <br />As far as sin goes, I am a LOT more than a liar. <br />But I only lie when paid to do so by my government or I have emotional or real investment. I have neither here.<br />Lying for you? Sorry. You're JUST NOT WORTH IT!<br />Again, making shit up would require far too much investment in you. I don't care. <br />In fact: The ONLY reason I have responded to this is for the OTHER readers who may think we know each other somehow, by your mannerism. <br />That should be obvious to all by now. <br />With that, I bid you adieu!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28366525351446672212012-01-12T14:51:55.277-05:002012-01-12T14:51:55.277-05:00Think about it for a bit Joey. You might figure it...Think about it for a bit Joey. You might figure it out. Perhaps if you took an oral exam. Or maybe if you actually asked your uncle what other things gay men do with one another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-85018969809762403942012-01-12T14:32:12.492-05:002012-01-12T14:32:12.492-05:00"I assume you think that gay people just choo..."I assume you think that gay people just choose to be that way because, what - they're bored with the opposite sex? Do they all of a sudden say hey, check out the way that guy fills those jeans, i gotta get me some of that.."<br /><br />That's a mighty big assumption. I won't speak for the good doctor, but here's my answer to that tiresome question, asked over and over again by angry activists who never bother to listen to the answer. <br /><br />I don't really think that people "choose" to be "gay". At least not men. With women, lesbianism is EXTREMELY fashionable. It wasn't all that long ago when I was in high school and all of the girls were sleeping with each other. No, not just for the entertainment of the guys either. They slept with each other with no one else around. <br /><br />I do, however, think that sexuality is a complex thing that DEVELOPS. It is not inborn. Given ideal conditions it will develop into a heterosexual desire that can be channeled through marriage. But sometimes the path to development gets warped. Sexual abuse is a big one. If a child is abused, the chance of him growing up to be a homosexual is staggeringly high. That doesn't explain all "gay" men because other factors may play a role as well. <br /><br />People who are abused as children often grow up to practice destructive behaviors. Sodomy is one such behavior. <br /><br />But in the end, a person's choice of bed partners is a CHOICE. "Gays" can choose to continue this destructive, unhealthy lifestyle. Or they can choose to stop. It's really up to them. But to pretend that homosexuality is something that is involuntary, something akin to race, is patently absurd. <br /><br />To put it simply, sexual desires are probably not something that a person chooses. Sexual behaviors are. So when a person says that he's "gay", it's understood not that he likes men but that he sleeps with them. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-80004952677752579782012-01-12T14:20:25.071-05:002012-01-12T14:20:25.071-05:00"Or perhaps you'd prefer it if they kept ..."Or perhaps you'd prefer it if they kept living the single life, barhopping, having 'sodomy' and spreading disease like you say they do?"<br /><br />No, it's pretty clear that Dr. Egnor opposes sodomy in all of its forms. You act as if homosexuals are forced to do that because we don't have gay "marriage" across the fruited plain. As if there's some homosexual sitting around thinking, 'Geez, I'd really like to have a nice monogamous relationship, but the state won't issue me a marriage license to marry Ralph, so I guess I'll have to be promiscuous. It's really too bad because I find the bar scene to be so empty and meaningless and I contracted the clap the last time I was there, but...I guess I have no choice." <br /><br />This is just silly. <br /><br />TrishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-36552832870324189602012-01-12T14:06:24.830-05:002012-01-12T14:06:24.830-05:00"Because if you had actual gay acquaintances,..."Because if you had actual gay acquaintances, you'd realize that gay sex is not tantamount to anal sex"<br /><br />It's not?<br /><br />my uncle is a homosexual. He's "gay" because he has anal sex with other men. He has anal sex with other men because he's "gay". It's hard to imagine what kind of "gay" man has sex without committing sodomy. Help me out here. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70298865488538315882012-01-12T14:01:36.860-05:002012-01-12T14:01:36.860-05:00"We're talking two ADULT individuals who ..."We're talking two ADULT individuals who just want to settle down and be with one another."<br /><br />Uhhh.why only two? That seems pretty random. Did you pick that number out of a hat?<br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74256264257320380882012-01-12T14:00:12.742-05:002012-01-12T14:00:12.742-05:00Call me a liar if you want.
Okay, you're a li...<i>Call me a liar if you want.</i><br /><br />Okay, you're a liar. I suspect that every one of your stories about your gay acquaintances are made up to trey and give you bullshit arguments a leg to stand on.<br /><br />How do we know? Because if you had <i>actual</i> gay acquaintances, you'd realize that gay sex is not tantamount to anal sex (not even the word "sodomy" as used in a legal sense is restricted to anal sex). And as a result, you wouldn't be so seemingly obsessed with it.<br /><br />Further, if you had actual gay acquaintances you'd know that until <i>very</i> recently "sodomy" (including oral sex) was actually illegal in many parts of the United States (for everyone, not just homosexual partners), and many places still have those statutes on the books. Sodomy is still illegal in Canada if more than two people are present. So, as usual, you are simply wrong on the facts.<br /><br />And if you had actual gay acquaintances, you'd know these things. But you don't know them, because you are nothing more than a liar who makes shit up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-36091044551530187952012-01-12T13:35:25.049-05:002012-01-12T13:35:25.049-05:00"Male homosexuality is deadly, more deadly th..."Male homosexuality is deadly, more deadly than drunk driving, I.V. drug abuse, and Russian roulette. The leading killer of gay men is gay men."<br /><br />I don't think it's quite as deadly as Russian roulette, but I get the picture. Dr. Egnor, you just spoke the truth in the starkest terms possible. For that, I expect you to be excoriated. <br /><br />Listen up, "gay" men. The people who love and support you aren't the ones telling you to continue a behavior that's killing you. Those aren't your "friends". I know you might think they are, just the same way a person who uses drugs might think that his old drug buddies are his friends, even when they are trying to lure him back to a habit that can kill him. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-11521379843997052272012-01-12T13:19:49.057-05:002012-01-12T13:19:49.057-05:00"No, I do not dispute that anal sex carries c..."No, I do not dispute that anal sex carries certain health risks, but if consenting adults want to take those risks that's their business not mine."<br /><br />Well yes. And I don't think it should be illegal. I don't think that anyone on this thread does. And guess what? It ISN'T illegal! <br /><br />I also think that people who engage in other unhealthy practices should be allowed to do that. But when a study proves for the one millionth time that smoking is a danger, we don't call it "bigot propaganda". In fact, when we see a loved one who is killing himself with cigarettes, we try to persuade them that it might not be a good thing to do. <br /><br />So let me state my position clearly. Two men sodomizing each other in the privacy of their home should be legal, and it is. That does not mean that is moral. That does not mean that it is healthy. That does not mean that the culture needs to glorify it. That does not mean that the state needs to codify it into law. That does not mean that anyone who says that it's a health hazard is a "bigot". People who discuss the health hazards of sodomy aren't bigots, they're courageous truth-tellers living in a world of deceit. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-66224282527076303492012-01-12T13:12:48.092-05:002012-01-12T13:12:48.092-05:00Troy,
I think the logic of the "scinetists&...Troy, <br /><br />I think the logic of the "scinetists" goes something like this. <br /><br />Sodomy is not unhealthy. Only a bigot would say that. We conducted a study and found that MSM in Vancouver have a significantly shortened lifespan. Bigoted groups used our study to support the ridiculous conclusion that sodomy is unhealthy. Only a bigot would believe our study. So be forewarned: people who correctly cite our study are bigots and are not to be trusted. In the future, we'll be more careful to produce the right results. <br /><br />TrishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83174050559399219242012-01-12T13:07:42.007-05:002012-01-12T13:07:42.007-05:00Troy,
I read that post in the Journal of Epedimio...Troy,<br /><br />I read that post in the Journal of Epedimiology.<br /><br />I saw that the authors were purposely vague. They claim that there was a significant increase in the life expectancy of MSM in Vancouver since 1996. They don't say what the difference is. They say that there has been a decrease in AIDS, but say little about other diseases and effects of the homosexual lifestyle. Can we at least agree that the life expectancy of an MSM in Vancouver in 1996 was the same as a male Canadian in 1871? Have any idea why that might be?<br /><br />The authors did however reveal something about their thought process. They're worried about how the information will be used. They're afraid that "homophobic" groups might draw the correct conclusion from their study. Their logic goes something like this--yes, we found that homosexual men in Vancouver have the same life expectancy as Canadian men about 1871. But then these groups started telling people that homosexual men in Vancouver had the same life expectancy as Canadian men in 1871. Shame on them. We need to clarify. <br /><br />Science should be disinterested. What I mean is that these "scientists", if they want to be called scientists, should simply study the issue and provide the facts. When they start to worry about how the facts will be used, there arises a motivation to make the results come out the "right" way. The "homophobic" groups in this instance were correctly positing that homosexuality, particularly the male variety, has deleterious health effects. Duh! They're right, and the study supports that statement. <br /><br />I think you will find that this pattern exists wherever scientists study homosexuality and its effects. There is an impulse to present homosexuality in the best light. Plenty of these researchers are homosexual themselves and thus have "skin in the game", ie, an inherent bias. Even those who don't seem to hold political opinions that cause them to shy away from criticizing homosexuality. <br /><br />Let's put it this way. Smoking has been connected to a myriad of diseases and scientists say so publicly. They don't worry that their research will be cited (correctly) by "smoker-phobic" groups. They simply follow the truth wherever it leads them. But when the issue becomes sodomy, all of the sudden scientists don't want to criticize. They begin their studies with an inherent bias, and even if they produce results that resemble the truth, they worry that the results will be used the "wrong" way.<br /><br />Scientists should be in the business of providing disinterested facts. What we do with them in the course of debate is not their concern.<br /><br />TrishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-24652533730240752332012-01-12T12:58:03.381-05:002012-01-12T12:58:03.381-05:00BTW, I don't like this new threaded style. To ...BTW, I don't like this new threaded style. To find the most recent comments you have to scroll through all the comments and look carefully. That takes more time and comments are more likely to be overlooked. Not that my opinion should carry much weight, but I wonder if anybody else finds this to be an improvement.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-18167000697038770632012-01-12T12:51:55.876-05:002012-01-12T12:51:55.876-05:00Joey
I don't understand how your response to ...Joey<br /><br /><i>I don't understand how your response to Crusader has any relationship to what he said. He was talking about the medical dangers of sodomy. Can you dispute this?</i><br /><br />He was also talking about sex being intended for reproduction. I was trying to make the point, in a non-graphic way, that many heterosexual acts, like eating your wife's pussy, are no good for reproduction either and are also a potential health hazard. I therefore hypothesized that Crusader does not engage in such acts, which in my opinion would make his sex life dull. <br /><br />No, I do not dispute that anal sex carries certain health risks, but if consenting adults want to take those risks that's their business not mine.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-64307311280545600562012-01-12T12:50:08.061-05:002012-01-12T12:50:08.061-05:00Maybe he just wants the steamy details on the sold...Maybe he just wants the steamy details on the soldier and his wife. Sorry. Gents don't kiss and tell :P<br />Let's see if he can attempt a rebuttal.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.com