tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post158915178734389971..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: JT Eberhard's dad on why he posts so much on atheismmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49082828667559937802012-02-14T17:42:19.892-05:002012-02-14T17:42:19.892-05:00A good thing we don't have to smell his smokin...A good thing we don't have to smell his smoking stench!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-87154986198350580822012-02-14T16:54:45.388-05:002012-02-14T16:54:45.388-05:00CrusadeRex,
I don't know where to start. ...CrusadeRex,<br /><br />I don't know where to start. 'Bush invaded Afghanistan' is a figure of speech, using the leader or the country as a whole to represent the military forces.<br /><br />The war in both Afghanistan and Iraq were both brilliantly carried out, but the peace in both countries was botched. I thought that Afghanistan was justifiable at the time of the invasion, but I also thought that Iraq was not justified, and proved to be a distraction.<br /><br />We've stayed far too long in Afghanistan, and making the Russian mistake. Australian soldiers are being killed and wounded by Afghan soldiers they're training, so we don't understand, even after 10 years, how their minds tick.<br /><br />You have a black and white viewpoint of history; if something's not 100% right then it's 100% wrong. History is actually a infinite range of greys, as I noted in the fact hat the Ottoman empire had Christian allies at times when it was fighting other Christians. Or when Sweden paid France to fight Germans in the 30 years war. I could have added that the then pope lent money to the Protestant William of Orange to invade England and overthrow the Catholic king James II in the Glorious Revolution of 1688, because James was an ally of the French king Louis XIV who was in dispute with the pope for hegemony over the catholic world.<br /><br />Well, Al Qaeda is becoming irrelevant. Their main complaint, and the way they got most of their support in Muslim countries, was the West's support for corrupt dictatorships. The West should just get out of the way and support at a distance a continuing Arab Spring and the election of democratic governments. If they turn out to be Islamist, then so what? The strains of actually having power and having to make decisions about economics is likely to moderate their outlook.<br /><br />Bush foolishly used the word 'Crusade' in his justification for war. And actually 'crusaders' became an emotionally charged word in the Islamic world only after the 19th century with the West's exploitation of the resources of the Arab countries and support of corrupt regimes.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-2482181893835990302012-02-14T14:14:59.701-05:002012-02-14T14:14:59.701-05:00J T Eberhard's blog (and this referenced posti...J T Eberhard's blog (and this referenced posting in particular), serves as a first rate example as to why attempting any dialogue with these people would be counter productive, and at best, an exercise in frustration.<br /><br />Any professing atheist who is actually so paranoid as to believe he is a persecuted minority marginalized from society ("institutionalized stigmatization"), or so extreme as to compare Christians to the Taliban, and see every action by Christians as an attempt to establish and enforce a theocracy, is delusional and in serious need of medical attention. (And Dr. Egnor, your remark about the writer suffering from "inadequate medication" is probably a fairer assessment than I would have originally realized.)<br /><br />Although trying to establish an actual discussion with such individuals is invariably a complete waste of time, dealing with their "arguments" as a reference point at arms length as you have done here, serves a useful purpose in that it enables a dialogue to be established with fair minded individuals. - LEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51435114117724757832012-02-14T12:25:25.325-05:002012-02-14T12:25:25.325-05:00What do you expect Dr. Egnor? It is a shallow gene...What do you expect Dr. Egnor? It is a shallow gene pool. Neither JT nor his father are half as intelligent or learned as they imagine themselves to be. It is as if their sole purpose is to validate the work of Dunning and Kruger.<br /><br />Incidentally, JT recently wrote this in response to a commenter on his blog:<br /><br />"You and your friends, by contrast, are unresearched trolls with delusions of grandeur..."<br /><br />Which is a perfect example of the pot reproaching the kettle.R OBriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-57119275115969483672012-02-14T11:59:27.223-05:002012-02-14T11:59:27.223-05:00Typical. On Valentine's Day, instead of writin...Typical. On Valentine's Day, instead of writing about how Valentinius redeemed sinners and showed charity towards those around him, Egnor writes a poorly thought out diatribe laced with venom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-73482550425752751652012-02-14T11:46:43.492-05:002012-02-14T11:46:43.492-05:00"Yes Crusader, because when an atheist...&quo..."Yes Crusader, because when an atheist..."<br />I am not talking about any Atheist, my comments are directed at <i>YOU</i>.<br /><br />"[...]neglects to put quotes around one of two instances of the use of the word [insert slur] ..."<br />The repeated use of that word is crass and unnecessary. It is a naked attempt at 'playing the race card'. <br />I think most of us here would agree playing to race is not a sign of a strong argument, regardless of our theological or political positions. It is usually, in my own experience, also a indicator of very cynical racial and cultural ideals. A person willing to engage in such games sees these 'identity groups' as fair game. Either that, or a complete lack of understanding of what they speak. In your exceptional case it may in fact even be a combination?<br /><br /><br />"...when discussing the right-wing hate speech he magically becomes a racist too."<br />You must mean ranting on about race and race hatred on some website's comments while launching a personal smeering of the blogger and an inferred Libel against all Christians? <br /><br />You wrote it yourself: <i>"These disgusting people are who Dr. Egnor is fighting for."</i><br /><br />REALLY now? <br /><br />Perhaps you had best let the good Doctor define just <i>who</i> and what he fights for, eh?<br /><br />"Give me a break."<br />Hmmm. <br />Okay then. <br />Dismissed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-46022276667991952012012-02-14T09:52:06.961-05:002012-02-14T09:52:06.961-05:00Yes Crusader, because when an atheist neglects to ...Yes Crusader, because when an atheist neglects to put quotes around one of two instances of the use of the word “nigger” when discussing the right-wing hate speech he magically becomes a racist too. Give me a break.<br /><br />And Michael, I bring up the extreme hatefulness of your political allies and you somehow manage to invoke Lenin and Pol Pot!? Is that really the best you can do? <br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-62445952929860917212012-02-14T08:30:23.170-05:002012-02-14T08:30:23.170-05:00He should really use some of that cash to get his ...He should really use some of that cash to get his teeth done too, eh? <br />I know he smokes, but for goodness sakes! His mouth looks like an amber mine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27508340421258054752012-02-14T08:29:10.065-05:002012-02-14T08:29:10.065-05:00I fear these are 'Daddy' issues on the div...I fear these are 'Daddy' issues on the divine level! <br />It seems to me that it always the one (above) or the other (scientism)- and that one leads the other on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-34687235737721396002012-02-14T08:27:54.089-05:002012-02-14T08:27:54.089-05:00The third reason is that, frankly, I am annoyed by...<i>The third reason is that, frankly, I am annoyed by gullibility, ignorance, stupidity, propaganda, falsehoods, poor logic, and bad arguments. </i><br /><br /><b>So don't buy Dawkins' books. </b><br /><br />So true and very funny!<br /><br />Dickydawk is a real farce... He's not interested in Science, his goals are money and fame!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-38017442812625658732012-02-14T08:25:34.375-05:002012-02-14T08:25:34.375-05:00So that's it? A narcissistic persecution comp...So that's it? A narcissistic persecution complex? Sigh. Another atheistic complexity unraveled down to a simple, pathetic core. I was hoping for more.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-20544927927366831282012-02-14T08:22:27.600-05:002012-02-14T08:22:27.600-05:00"Well, actually 'Taliban' is Pashto f..."Well, actually 'Taliban' is Pashto for 'students'." <br />And Fascist means a bunch of sticks or rods when properly translated and explained. <br />You're point? <br /><br />"Would 'Christian students' be preferable?"<br />Yes of course it would. What type of idiotic question is that? Are YOU on LSD? (as opposed to St John in your previous response). Would calling a group of atheists 'a bunch' be preferable to calling them 'Fascist Atheists'? <br />Hello?<br /><br />"I personally don't feel any safer for Bush invading Afghanistan.."<br />I did not see him there. Not even from a distance. I think it was mostly NATO. Most of the politicians did not set foot in theatre till we had secured it. But Mr Bush DID visit his troops and rally them at some point. Did you?<br /><br /><br />I cannot be bothered with the revisionist spin. I will just say that your focus on Iberia once again betrays an intellectual cowardice. What about the rest of the Byzantine and Persian worlds? Of that we hear ________. <br />Spin, half-truths, and bullshit. Typical neo-marxist community college bullshit.<br /><br />"Christian rulers aren't always motivated by religion. "<br />NO!???!!!<br /><br />"Politics and economics play a role (it's the reason why Protestant Sweden paid Catholic France money to continue the war against the Protestant German states in the war of religion in the 30 years war"<br />In which the Taliban and the Muslims were central? Oh I see! Perhaps you might remember this lesson on corruption the next time you BLAME religion for the 30 years war? <br />NAH! <br /><br />"I feel so safe with you identifying yourself as a crusader."<br />I take it that is some sort of attempt at sarcasm? Well and good. The gift of freedom is yours whether you are grateful to the men and women of the forces or not. <br /><br />Re Crusader: I was bequeathed that honourable title by my enemy (who call savage enemies a term that means descended from 'Mongol') and my colleagues who thought it fit well. <br />I like to think I am something like my namesakes, at least the well meaning types among them. <br />I too took the cross, I too fought to keep the wolves at bay. Like them I have buried friends and seen horrible things done by men to men in the name of God and ruler. <br />Like them it changed me. <br />But to the point: Men like you would have me and my kind feel shame for protecting your fellows. <br />I do not and will not. <br />While I cannot be 'proud' of much of what I have dealt with (was duty, not choice) I AM proud of my colleagues, men, and the other people we worked with. <br /><br />"The Taliban, nasty though they are, aren't likely to cause any harm to us in the west even if, as is likely, they take over in Afghanistan."<br />You mean to say [the Taliban]'aren't likely to cause any harm to ME', don't you? <br />The men and women we sent to combat their influence don't even enter into it. The harm already done to them BY the Taliban is not a factor to you and those like you? No. <br />So why would being deeply religiously offensive to them upset you? <br />I suspect it would not. So have at it! <br />Use the term 'Taliban Christians' and suffer the silent resentment of your fellow man. That is your burden to bear, should you choose to. <br /><br /> <br />"Particularly since Al Qaeda seems irrelevant after the Arab Spring."<br />Dream on. Oh how I would LOVE it, if you were only this SINGLE time correct....<br />Al Qaeda is active in at least three theatres currently, and is a GROWTH industry in the Horn/Peninsula/Gulf regions. It is not irrelevant and it is not simply 'Al Qeada'. The Jihad is amorphous and flexible in it's ideology. The goal is all the remains static. Leaders, names, backers...they all shift. But here in the real world the long war continues.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-55136164125307438812012-02-14T08:07:44.059-05:002012-02-14T08:07:44.059-05:00@KW:
You're delusional. The primary source of...@KW:<br /><br />You're delusional. The primary source of religious violence for the past 200 years has been atheism-secularism.<br /><br />It's Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot/Kim whatever who have been killing people, not the Pope.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-43587767098021229862012-02-14T07:53:26.928-05:002012-02-14T07:53:26.928-05:00Christian Taliban is a perfectly apt description o...Christian Taliban is a perfectly apt description of the reactionary right wing in this country. All you need to do is check the comments on right-wing websites like Fox News, Free Republic, The Blaze, and a host of others. The hatred, racism, bigotry, and violent fantasies spewing forth from the right-wing Christian base are enough to make you sick. Killing liberals, killing atheists, and killing niggers are common themes. I’m amazed at the effort that goes into splicing and dicing the word “nigger” to get it past any real or imagined automatic filters. These disgusting people are who Dr. Egnor is fighting for. He shares their warped and twisted vision of some imaginary Christian utopia that can only be realized by waging and winning a war.<br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-52740668126213401012012-02-14T07:16:45.439-05:002012-02-14T07:16:45.439-05:00CrusadeRex,
Your reading skills aren't very g...CrusadeRex,<br /><br />Your reading skills aren't very good. I wrote Stephen King's son Joe Hill, and then you write a diatribe against the father. I wasn't talking about Stephen King, fine author though he is. He hasn't written a bad book, with the exception of 'Gerald's Game', and the 7 books in the Revolver man series, and 'Thinner' and ... Come to think of it, he has written a lot of bad books, but he's also written a lot of good ones too.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-12225136291552025222012-02-14T07:09:22.729-05:002012-02-14T07:09:22.729-05:00CrusadeRex,
Well, actually 'Taliban' is P...CrusadeRex,<br /><br />Well, actually 'Taliban' is Pashto for 'students'. Would 'Christian students' be preferable?<br /><br />I personally don't feel any safer for Bush invading Afghanistan, and then fouling up by needlessly invading Iraq for spurious reasons, without having adequate postwar plans, both for Iraq and Afghanistan.<br /><br />'Christians have been keeping the Taliban at bay for 1400 years'. Yes, Portugal and Spain continued their enmity against the Ottoman Empire after they'd ejected the Muslims from the Iberian peninsula.<br /><br />Which was also the reason why Christian Genoa allied itself with the Ottoman empire, because it was a very good trading partner and a conduit for spices from the Far East. And also the reason why Christian France also allied itself with the Ottoman empire at times, because it was a useful counterweight against Spain. And also the reason why Christian Britain and Christian France went to war against Christian Russia in support of the Ottoman empire in the Crimean War.<br /><br />Christian rulers aren't always motivated by religion. Politics and economics play a role (it's the reason why Protestant Sweden paid Catholic France money to continue the war against the Protestant German states in the war of religion in the 30 years war).<br /><br />I feel so safe with you identifying yourself as a crusader. The Taliban, nasty though they are, aren't likely to cause any harm to us in the west even if, as is likely, they take over in Afghanistan. Particularly since Al Qaeda seems irrelevant after the Arab Spring.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27202395562481305402012-02-14T06:47:16.612-05:002012-02-14T06:47:16.612-05:00Bullshit?
Lets see...
Stephen King as a quality au...Bullshit?<br />Lets see...<br />Stephen King as a quality author (pulp)? Bullshit. Hasn't written anything worth a column since the Shining (and Kubrick made that look better than it was). <br /><br />Comments on this thread? This is a blog, and the Doctor's writing is called a post. More bullshit. <br /><br />St John on Patmos high on LSD? (LSD = ad 1938) <br />YET More bullshit. <br /><br />Let me guess what's next?<br />Stephanie Meyer is the next Shakespeare? <br />My comments are the worst in the 'book' you are reading? Or maybe that Moses spiked the Pharaohs pot with DMT crystals? <br /><br />Could it have been half price Fosters down at the Dingo and Roo last night?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-14138897723228062172012-02-14T06:37:08.102-05:002012-02-14T06:37:08.102-05:00""Christian Taliban" is one of thos...""Christian Taliban" is one of those oxymorons, Poppy. In fact, it's been Christians who've been keeping the Taliban at bay for 1400 years. You atheists tried it once, and the Taliban kicked your задница."<br /><br />Thank you and GOD BLESS you for saying this, Mike. <br />I am sick of all these fucking grey haired children using that metaphor. God forgive me for feeling it, but every time I hear that phrase it makes me wonder why I bothered. Why not let these milk toast SHEEPLE meet the Taliban they think they know so well? All this talk of resources and Malthusian chicken little stuff could be fixed by simply allowing those bearded maniacs a few weeks of free run. <br />Then the venom abates, and I remember why. I see my own son in his crib, and my older lad getting ready for his day. I see the good people across next door playing with their toddler and our dogs. I hear the bells....<br />I remember. <br />It truly means a lot for me to hear a highly educated and respected academic and surgeon make such a comment, Doctor. <br />Again, God bless you and thank you from all the men and women in my unit. <br />Sincerely,<br />Your Resident Crusader.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-68193374098472525962012-02-14T06:29:40.497-05:002012-02-14T06:29:40.497-05:00Michael,
Stephen King's son Joe Hill wrote a ...Michael,<br /><br />Stephen King's son Joe Hill wrote a novel 'Horns' in which the hero of the story grew horns, 12 months after his girlfriend had been brutally murdered, which no one else could see, but which caused them to utter truthfully whatever they were thinking.<br /><br />His novel was much better written than any of the dribble you've ever written, with much better logic.<br /><br />If I had to express the truth I'd be forced to say that your comments on this thread are bullshit from start to end.<br /><br />Atheists aren't marked with the number of the beast. Atheists don't believe in the existence of Satan as well as god(s). 'Revelations' was written by someone said to be John whilst on the then equivalent of LSD.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.com