tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post1750923257883280969..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: P.Z. Myers: "Shut 'em down... It's time to abort the Catholic Church"mregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-58507718113989647662012-11-21T17:15:08.165-05:002012-11-21T17:15:08.165-05:00That PZ Myers is saying ridiculous things isn'...That PZ Myers is saying ridiculous things isn't exactly news. That you're still spending time reading them is either dedication to the cause or extreme masochism.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-16805337770448340982012-11-21T11:16:13.083-05:002012-11-21T11:16:13.083-05:00PZ never ceases to amaze.
I see this whole issue ...PZ never ceases to amaze. <br />I see this whole issue as being a pathetic attempt to politicize the abortion issue in Ireland. They already have rules in place to protect a woman during a potentially fatal pregnancy. That is simply not the issue. The issue is whether these rules where followed. <br />I think both Dr Egnor and Bach have hit the nail on the head when they question the delay in administering medications and treatment. <br />Catholicism and socialized medicine are not the issue here, so far as I can see. Incompetent or mistaken physicians/carers may be the key. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-6578299326076357772012-11-20T09:07:18.209-05:002012-11-20T09:07:18.209-05:00The particulars in this case demonstrate that abor...The particulars in this case demonstrate that abortion-mongers will use the death of innocents to their personal advantage.<br /><br />The Republican platform also failed to include a provision that would allow a dying mother to kill her child to use his organs for transplant. <br /><br />Republicans are so yesterday.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-63675592647230289522012-11-20T08:26:35.169-05:002012-11-20T08:26:35.169-05:00None of the particulars in this case change the fa...None of the particulars in this case change the fact that the abortion ban plank of the Republican platform does not include an exception for the life of the mother.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-5317089118304866832012-11-20T06:32:08.489-05:002012-11-20T06:32:08.489-05:00Michael,
Well, you don't usually develop chor...Michael,<br /><br />Well, you don't usually develop chorioamnionitis de nova. The most probable scenario is that she had a threatened abortion which then became inevitable, and then she developed chorioamnionitis as an ascending infection from the vagina.<br /><br />Agreed. Surgical evacuation of the uterus wasn't mandatory while it was a threatened or an inevitable abortion, and there's arguments for letting nature take its course, since surgical evacuation might lead to intrauterine adhesions, complicating future pregnancies.<br /><br />But once she developed chorioamnionitis, she needed antibiotics followed by rapid delivery of the fetus (because antibiotics won't get into the membranes and amniotic fluid in adequate amounts to treat the infection - let alone the problem that the choice of antibiotics is very much an educated guess).<br /><br />Until more details are revealed, it's not certain whether the medical care was substandard. I suspect delivery was delayed too long after infection occurred.<br /><br />Agreed. It has nothing to do with Ireland's ban on induced abortions. And also, I wouldn't be asking PZ for medical advice.<br /><br />If you're claiming that Ireland's 'socialised' health care is the cause of this unfortunate death, then you should also agree that it's also responsible for Ireland having a lower maternal mortality than America (6 versus 8 per 100,000), and hence America's lack of 'socialised' healthcare is the cause of unnecessary maternal deaths.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-80916830444532071652012-11-20T06:20:36.865-05:002012-11-20T06:20:36.865-05:00Everyone knows that Catholics are never to blame f...Everyone knows that Catholics are never to blame for anything. Any tragedy is always the fault of liberals and socialists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com