tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post1886498707826865971..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: A prayer covered with a tarp is a statement of atheist beliefmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-14315616988752507042014-03-21T20:10:08.384-04:002014-03-21T20:10:08.384-04:00My point is that the school is not the state. So e...My point is that the school is not the state. So everyone is free relative to government decisions by vote of the people.<br />its a simple reply to a absurd attack on religious expression since WW11.<br />If it is the state then indeed religious stuff is not to be included.<br />Thats the contract. Its fine. A real separation of the intents and powers of the state affecting or being affected by religious conclusions. This has never happened since the country came to be.<br />NOW they do today censor religious conclusions in science class and this is illegal as it does mean the state is saying the religious opinions are false. AHA.GOT'IM<br />america needs better lawyers.<br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-25519260442529693792014-03-21T10:11:36.975-04:002014-03-21T10:11:36.975-04:00You have it wrong Robert. People are free to expre...You have it wrong Robert. People are free to express their religious opinion even where “the state pays the buck”. It’s the state that is not allowed to express a religious opinion.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-37856742058036494802014-03-21T07:37:50.093-04:002014-03-21T07:37:50.093-04:00Trish, as I have already stated above, “When it co...Trish, as I have already stated above, “When it comes to the offices and facilities of government Jessica absolutely does have a right not to feel excluded.”<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-19727162647276933262014-03-21T05:07:33.545-04:002014-03-21T05:07:33.545-04:00I agree. I don't understand why people are mak...I agree. I don't understand why people are making a hero out of this girl.<br /><br />--Francisca S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-18669379446911064142014-03-21T05:05:53.855-04:002014-03-21T05:05:53.855-04:00I'd be much happier if our schools were neutra...I'd be much happier if our schools were neutral on matters of religion but they are not. They are perilous places for Christian students.<br /><br />--Francisca S. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83838125551505141112014-03-20T20:52:04.472-04:002014-03-20T20:52:04.472-04:00kw will never give trish a straight answer to her ...kw will never give trish a straight answer to her question. <br /><br />but hey kw, american jurisprudence said interning the japanese was okay too. so i guess you'd be okay with that. <br /><br />here's an idea. every once in a while you should read the document that the judges are supposed to be basing their decisions upon. i think you'll find that the document bears little resemblance to their decisions. <br /><br />naidooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-8679863990358960392014-03-20T20:45:17.804-04:002014-03-20T20:45:17.804-04:00Now, will you please answer my question? I'll ...Now, will you please answer my question? I'll repeat it. "KW, does Jessica alone have the right not to feel excluded?"<br /><br />It's a pretty simple yes or no answer. <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-31641660154419503802014-03-20T20:43:12.074-04:002014-03-20T20:43:12.074-04:00"The jurisprudence of this country interprets..."The jurisprudence of this country interprets the first amendment to mean that the government must remain neutral on religion. It is the best and perhaps only way to ensure our religious freedom."<br /><br />1. Our government is anything but neutral on religion. It is in fact hostile to religion generally, and mine particularly. <br /><br />Here is but one example. A first grader in Southern California vrought candy canes to school to share with the class. Each candy cane was affixed with a note explaining the origin of candy canes and their relationship to the Biblical Christmas story. The teacher conferred with the principal, removed the notes, threw them in the trash and told the boy, "Jesus is not allowed in school." <br /><br />This was student initiated. <br /><br />2. If American jurisprudence is unmoored from the text of the Constitution, it is wrong. You and I both know that nothing in the Constitution prohibits a prayer from being on a wall. That's why you don't cite the Constitution. <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-31195445639756172492014-03-20T20:33:43.174-04:002014-03-20T20:33:43.174-04:00May a Canadian help.
The flaw in this iS that the ...May a Canadian help.<br />The flaw in this iS that the schools are not the state. They are just paid by the state.<br />The very Protestant Yankee and Southern people who created the constitution did not mean that the people could not express faith in God and Christ ANYWHERE the state has provided funds.<br />Church/State separation is a great idea and means what it says.<br />THE STATE and THE CHURCH must not interfere with each other. A great idea. (Broken by the way by teaching Genesis is wrong anyways) .<br />Yet never would the founders, the people, have allowed this great separation to mean enforced control over religious ideas and speech everywhere the state pays a buck.<br />Crossing state bridges, in forest parks, and dying in the armed forces.<br />Its all unreasonable anti-Christian etc attack since WW11 doing what was never anticipated.<br />Such a great idea and heritage in separation of the church FROM the state <br />BEING abused by hostile elements against religion and dumb judges not worthy of their salaries.<br />Its unkind, injurious, and very intrusive, and uncitizenshiplike to attack this wall thing.<br />let the people have what they want.<br /> OKAY its about law. The ancient founders meant no wall prayers they say.<br />I say they never meant that or would allow such a false interpretation of a great idea.<br />The state is interfering with religious concepts of the citizens by banning such sentiments in buildings JUST paid and run, in a special way called education, by the state.<br />The people have a right to teach their kids great truths.<br />This is an attack upon christianity etc and thats the intents.<br />You out argued the Brits back in the day and now must out argue the enemy here.<br />SCOLLS AIN't THE STATE. TheSTATE ain't everything it pays for. Thats the flaw in all this. The state is a serious institution. Schools are not essence of the state. The founders would laugh at such a twist.<br />Seems that way from Canada here.<br /><br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65659092371791067542014-03-20T20:12:42.208-04:002014-03-20T20:12:42.208-04:00The First Amendment says nothing about religious n...The First Amendment says nothing about religious neutrality. It prohibits a federal Establishment of religion. Because we are a democracy, our government life is our civic life-- we sovereign citizens express ourselves through civic institutions such as schools, etc. To ban religious expression in civic life is the impose Civic Atheism on the American people, which is grossly unconstitutional and which could never be legislated. mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-80617608710250604072014-03-20T20:02:01.611-04:002014-03-20T20:02:01.611-04:00That's right, among others.
-KWThat's right, among others.<br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-40572641718147383332014-03-20T20:00:01.545-04:002014-03-20T20:00:01.545-04:00The jurisprudence of this country interprets the f...The jurisprudence of this country interprets the first amendment to mean that the government must remain neutral on religion. It is the best and perhaps only way to ensure our religious freedom. <br /><br />A blank wall expresses no opinion on religion. A mural expressing worthy values in a school is great. The same mural referencing those same values but in a context that references to a particular god will over the years invariably influence the beliefs of some of the students. That is not the reason any of us send our kids to public school. <br /><br />Our constitution is designed to protect the rights of religious minorities, and ensuring the government is neutral on religious matters is how it is accomplished.<br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-90854740823290931262014-03-20T17:44:46.554-04:002014-03-20T17:44:46.554-04:00KW, does Jessica alone have the right not to feel ...KW, does Jessica alone have the right not to feel excluded? See, I think her feeling of exclusion is rather silly. She feels it anyway. You think my feeling of being excluded in a religion-hating God-free zone is silly, but that's how I feel. <br /><br />Do we have equal rights or not? Either everyone has the right not to feel excluded or no one does. <br /><br />Here's the answer: NO ONE DOES. We can't live in a free country if the government is going to protect everyone's feelings from being hurt. It necessarily requires restrictions on speech, belief, religious practice, and whatever else that might offend someone. <br /><br />Alas, you aren't worried about "everyone's" feelings being hurt, only people you have identified as victims-- homosexuals, racial minorities, atheists. <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-37555857351251247942014-03-20T16:25:58.628-04:002014-03-20T16:25:58.628-04:00Popeye: "It’s always easier to defeat a divid...Popeye: "It’s always easier to defeat a divided enemy..."<br /><br />Right. You learned that from the Viet Cong, right? And Code Pink. And Cindy Sheehan.Commissar Boggs, Ministry of Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-12971341424522296412014-03-20T15:52:21.656-04:002014-03-20T15:52:21.656-04:00It’s always easier to defeat a divided enemy, and ...It’s always easier to defeat a divided enemy, and conservative’s irrational hatred of all things Obama plays right into Putin’s hands.<br /><br />Contrast this situation with the fact that virtually no one made a peep when Bush did absolutely nothing about Russia’s invasion of Georgia.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65376540244560374412014-03-20T15:50:54.481-04:002014-03-20T15:50:54.481-04:00Popeye, I sold my boat.
But I have a better solut...Popeye, I sold my boat.<br /><br />But I have a better solution. Let's tear down all the government buildings. Then you could get a job and not worry about keeping track of your multiple box numbers for EBT cards.Commissar Boggs, Ministry of Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-11313023899633312552014-03-20T15:34:18.627-04:002014-03-20T15:34:18.627-04:00Poor David, You’re in the same boat as atheists an...Poor David, You’re in the same boat as atheists and the Commissar’s hypothetical aggrieved Palestinians. I guess the only fair thing to do would be to leave off all religious references on government buildings, that way the government will be treating all religions equally.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-29194117447169576942014-03-20T15:15:11.912-04:002014-03-20T15:15:11.912-04:00Don't you know, Commissar, that anything but e...Don't you know, Commissar, that anything but enthusiastic participation in the chief witch doctor's magic dance will cause it to fail to work? If that isn't undermining our foreign poll…whatever it is… then what is?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05652227699197953483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-19330650802530087112014-03-20T15:12:36.596-04:002014-03-20T15:12:36.596-04:00Unless the artwork in government buildings include...Unless the artwork in government buildings include a figure of St. Francis blessing the animals, well, I FEEL EXCLUDED!!! Jessica, let's march arm-in-arm for our right to not feel excluded!!!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05652227699197953483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51369695267626445622014-03-20T13:18:06.586-04:002014-03-20T13:18:06.586-04:00I am undermining American foreign policy? What Ame...I am undermining American foreign policy? What American foreign policy? Yesterday's or the day before? Last week's? Be more specific.Commissar Boggs, Ministry of Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-48351913615852959672014-03-20T13:15:26.673-04:002014-03-20T13:15:26.673-04:00Moses, the first Zionist, Father of Zionism! Immig...Moses, the first Zionist, Father of Zionism! Immigrant Palestinians might not agree with your interpretation, particularly given Moses' <i>central location</i> in the frieze. <br /><br />Palestinians are excluded! No Palestinian lawgivers! Where is Yasser Arafat on the building!Commissar Boggs, Ministry of Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-92031105043583467892014-03-20T12:54:04.709-04:002014-03-20T12:54:04.709-04:00Moses, with blank tablets, flanked by Confucius, S...Moses, with blank tablets, flanked by Confucius, Solon, and a host of other symbolic lawgivers, was specifically designed by Hermon McNeil to be a symbolic representation of the history and origin of our law. It includes many historical references from multiple traditions and purposefully avoids display of the text of the 10 commandments. Even in 1935, avoiding the appearance of religious endorsement was a primary consideration in the design of government facilities.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-84360644309568448772014-03-20T10:15:18.371-04:002014-03-20T10:15:18.371-04:00Well, better tear down the Supreme Court of the Un...Well, better tear down the <a href="http://ten-commandments.us/ten_commandments/images/moses_supreme_court1.jpg" rel="nofollow">Supreme Court of the United States</a>.<br /><br />The Right to Not Be Excluded is being violated! WAHHHHHHHHHH!<br /><br />:-DCommissar Boggs, Ministry of Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-42412214811772737052014-03-20T10:08:10.117-04:002014-03-20T10:08:10.117-04:00So Commissar, do your Russian masters pay you to u...So Commissar, do your Russian masters pay you to undermine American foreign policy, or do you just do it because you hate America?<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-89036797726655310872014-03-20T10:05:00.256-04:002014-03-20T10:05:00.256-04:00When it comes to the offices and facilities of gov...When it comes to the offices and facilities of government Jessica absolutely does have a right not to feel excluded. Finally, something Boggs got right!<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com