tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post3482345003801118997..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Sophomoric atheism in scientific dragmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44878352025874861142012-07-20T11:45:48.346-04:002012-07-20T11:45:48.346-04:00Oleg and Pépé,
This is the grand reason science f...Oleg and Pépé,<br /><br />This is the grand reason science fails in matters of philosophy. It assumes only material ends. <br />The 'failures' outlined above assume that physical perfection and physical immortality are the end goal of creation. That is a very flawed assumption. It is not God that fails in His creation, but rather our failure to comprehend beyond the material that makes us view disease and our mortality as some sort of complete limitation. The inability to comprehend/consider beyond the material prevents scientific (empirical inquiry) from reaching into the realm of the infinite and immortal - the truly objective reality of which the physical is a functional subset. <br />This is why BOTH ID and Darwinism will ultimately fail in explanation, as they are merely interpretive DESCRIPTION.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-58736904995899629642012-07-20T11:37:13.948-04:002012-07-20T11:37:13.948-04:00Bach,
Faster than LIGHT? Oh dear! Do you mean the...Bach, <br />Faster than LIGHT? Oh dear! Do you mean there is some sort of nothing that moves faster than everything, even thought it is nothing? But wait! If it is something, and inhabits our cosmos, then is it moving BACKWARDS in time? Is it the edge, end, and beginning? <br />How can anything about assumptions made on this wild conjecture be considered 'reasonable'? <br />Further how do you equate an 'end' to a 'crunch'? How do you know your faster than light nothing/something will not occlude the something universe, or that the something universe will not dissipate into the past/future something nothing exterior cosmos? <br />You postulate and formulate based on fantastic assumptions, most counter to any form of foundational reason or logic, then pass it off as 'science'. <br />More like modern astrology or new age 'faith' than reasonable inquiry.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-17457909436923614162012-07-19T18:23:15.465-04:002012-07-19T18:23:15.465-04:00@oleg,
So, you're still conversing with me. Y...@oleg,<br /><br />So, you're still conversing with me. Your balls are that precious, hey!<br /><br />:PPépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-68527403204947257952012-07-19T18:07:32.251-04:002012-07-19T18:07:32.251-04:00Intellectually speaking, Pépé, you think with the ...Intellectually speaking, Pépé, you think with the wrong organ.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-22722273965425843802012-07-19T17:42:15.126-04:002012-07-19T17:42:15.126-04:00@oleg,
There is no point in having a conversation...@oleg,<br /><br /><i>There is no point in having a conversation with you.</i><br /><br />Guys have this reaction when I have them by the balls, intellectually speaking, that is!<br /><br />My question was: which is better design, the human body or a Mercedes-Benz?<br /><br />1) If you answer Mercedes, then the next question is who design the Mercedes' engineers and you will be toast eventually!<br /><br />2) If you answer the human body you are already toast!<br /><br />That's what's called being had by the balls i.e. being balls-less!<br /><br />:PPépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-78380243837404196802012-07-19T17:15:30.746-04:002012-07-19T17:15:30.746-04:00Pépé,
You still haven't explained anything a...Pépé, <br /><br />You still haven't explained anything and instead of answering my questions you pose yours. There is no point in having a conversation with you.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-35664917518356914112012-07-19T17:08:19.030-04:002012-07-19T17:08:19.030-04:00@bachfiend,
You remind me of Dr. Sheldon Cooper o...@bachfiend,<br /><br />You remind me of Dr. Sheldon Cooper of The Big Bang Theory TV series.<br /><br />:PPépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-59710680623758582302012-07-19T17:04:18.964-04:002012-07-19T17:04:18.964-04:00@oleg,
According to you, which is better design: ...@oleg,<br /><br />According to you, which is better design: the human body or a Mercedes-Benz?<br /><br />BTW, do you have a gas problem because you talk about the consequences a lot in your comment. Unless it is a kind of adolescentism!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65405786851459146982012-07-19T12:48:36.641-04:002012-07-19T12:48:36.641-04:00Pépé,
You didn't say anything, farting noise...Pépé, <br /><br />You didn't say anything, farting noises notwithstanding.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70273591713206087472012-07-19T12:41:44.190-04:002012-07-19T12:41:44.190-04:00oleg, I told you you wouldn't listen and I was...oleg, I told you you wouldn't listen and I was right!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1033054465766832382012-07-19T11:48:47.380-04:002012-07-19T11:48:47.380-04:00Pépé,
Do you want to tell me that the designer o...Pépé, <br /><br />Do you want to tell me that the designer of life is only as competent as the designers of a Mercedes? I thought he was all-powerful and all-knowing, unlike those German engineers. <br /><br />As to Dembski's book, it reads like bad science fiction. He posits that death and suffering in the millions of years before humans appeared was "caused" by a woman who ate a fruit. That's "causation" backward in time! It's so silly I can't believe Dembski wrote it.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51718761454528222142012-07-19T10:34:00.023-04:002012-07-19T10:34:00.023-04:00@oleg,
Here is your reasoning:
God should use go...@oleg,<br /><br />Here is your reasoning:<br /><br /><i>God should use good design.<br />The world shows bad design.<br />Therefore, God does not exists.</i><br /><br />or <br /><br /><i>Mercedes-Benz should use god design (they cost mucho $$$).<br />Mercedes cars show bad design (they don't last 100 years).<br />Therefore Mercedes-Benz does not exists.</i><br /><br />Very astute reasoning!<br /> <br /><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/bill-dembski-answers-how-do-we-explain-bad-design/" rel="nofollow">Explaining bad design</a>Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50462945005717801102012-07-19T10:18:38.506-04:002012-07-19T10:18:38.506-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-6503988943329727942012-07-19T08:38:37.623-04:002012-07-19T08:38:37.623-04:00Pépé: Tout passe, tout casse, tout lasse!
That m...Pépé: <i> Tout passe, tout casse, tout lasse!<br /><br />That means everything passes, everything breaks, everything tires: no matter endures for ever, even protons decay. I could explain to you why this is so but you wont listen...<br /></i> <br /><br />Wow, that's such a convincing argument! Especially concerning the protons (whose decay has never been observed, by the way). <br /><br />But let's make it quantitative, Pépé. Some things decay faster than others. Some trees last hundreds of years. Protons, even if <i>do</i> decay, would only do so on the time scale exceeding the age of the Universe. Our eyes, on the other hand, do not stay sharp beyond 40-50 years, so we have defective vision for almost half of our lives (and some of us their entire lives). There is no problem with making a vision system works fine 100 years (some people have that). Yet we don't. It's clearly a defective system. <br /><br />Same with arthritis. Some people don't ever have it, so it seems like a defect in those who do.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-15562173165342721972012-07-18T19:55:23.256-04:002012-07-18T19:55:23.256-04:00@bachfiend,
I have already answered your challeng...@bachfiend,<br /><br />I have already answered your challenge, just backtrack a few comments.<br /><br />BTW, how are you doing with Graham's number?Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-8589846924068579962012-07-18T18:25:23.990-04:002012-07-18T18:25:23.990-04:00Pepe,
I take it you've decided not to take up...Pepe,<br /><br />I take it you've decided not to take up my challenge of reading Professor Shapiro's book at the same time, and seeing whether his take on evolution is consistent with yours or mine?bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-16937320384227871052012-07-18T18:17:51.890-04:002012-07-18T18:17:51.890-04:00@troy,
You broke my baloney detector, you SOB!@troy,<br /><br />You broke my baloney detector, you SOB!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-75996374955560027472012-07-18T18:16:53.783-04:002012-07-18T18:16:53.783-04:00CrusadeRex,
Well, we don't know what's be...CrusadeRex,<br /><br />Well, we don't know what's beyond the 'horizon' of the visible universe. We almost certainly never will, because space at that point is expanding faster than the speed of light, from our perspective (and we are receding from any observer beyond our horizon faster than the speed of light too).<br /><br />It's a reasonable assumption that the physical laws, constants, particles, etc are the same throughout the Universe as they are in our little part, the visible universe, that we can see, but it's not a 'given'.<br /><br />And no, with the accelerating expansion of the universe, there won't be a 'crunch' since the universe won't contract.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-34337171918370242972012-07-18T18:16:30.473-04:002012-07-18T18:16:30.473-04:00@troy,
What do you do for a living, besides runni...@troy,<br /><br />What do you do for a living, besides running in sewers looking for crap?<br /><br /><i>Vade retro morona.</i><br /><br />I did not know you spoke Moronian!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51467379714340948862012-07-18T17:03:26.619-04:002012-07-18T17:03:26.619-04:00@troy,
I am preventing from answering your m*****...@troy,<br /><br />I am preventing from answering your m*****c comment by my baloney detector!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-88232148555210736512012-07-18T17:01:11.048-04:002012-07-18T17:01:11.048-04:00@oleg,
In French we say:
Tout passe, tout casse,...@oleg,<br /><br />In French we say:<br /><br /><i>Tout passe, tout casse, tout lasse!</i><br /><br />That means everything passes, everything breaks, everything tires: no matter endures for ever, even <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay" rel="nofollow">protons decay</a>. I could explain to you why this is so but you wont listen...Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-76548562919598489712012-07-18T15:29:46.764-04:002012-07-18T15:29:46.764-04:00It doesn't make sense to talk about design fla...It doesn't make sense to talk about design flaws unless you know what the designer's aims were. A cruel designer might very well consider arthritis not a bug but a feature. Perhaps the designer wanted Peepee to be dumb as a bag of rocks, just for a laugh.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-40723790079952782142012-07-18T13:34:47.983-04:002012-07-18T13:34:47.983-04:00Really? So arthritis and presbyopia are successes?...Really? So arthritis and presbyopia are successes? Tell me how.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-81043936986451890842012-07-18T12:42:57.879-04:002012-07-18T12:42:57.879-04:00Design flaws? What you call design flaws now, afte...Design flaws? What you call design flaws now, after careful examination and better knowledge, become design successes. You materialists have the habit of wanting to be proved wrong, don't you?<br /><br />As for the Designer, please be patient oleg, you will meet Him eventually, but not to soon I hope!<br /><br />PS: by mistake I wrote this in the general comment section, ergo the deletion!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-73892844573832426452012-07-18T12:41:07.995-04:002012-07-18T12:41:07.995-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.com