tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post5070770961631279367..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: When will the Pope the Secretary of Education apologize to victims of abuse?mregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-7856712923051400582012-02-09T22:24:12.237-05:002012-02-09T22:24:12.237-05:00Rex,
Settle down, i cant believe you wrote so muc...Rex, <br />Settle down, i cant believe you wrote so much about that line!<br />Maybe, just maybe i tried to rile YOU up.<br /><br />What prompted me saying that was pepe's comments. Always little insults or direct name-calling. Egnor does similar things, including posting silly atheist jokes, or some asinine article right after the day Hitchens died. Not so much you, although you love to write. You should should start a blog of your own.<br /><br />The mysterious, as you put it, 'us' are the various atheists that post/debate on here. Duh.Mulderhttp://muldonia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-64902820629033048172012-02-08T22:03:37.728-05:002012-02-08T22:03:37.728-05:00Mr. Egnor, this double standard is both a complime...Mr. Egnor, this double standard is both a compliment and a blessing. A compliment because the public instinctually expects better of the Church, as it ought. A blessing because it has helped purge sin from the fold. Blessed are you when men persecute you and all that.John Lamminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03423655444181931003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70713067703822425192012-02-07T10:54:27.464-05:002012-02-07T10:54:27.464-05:00Mulder,
"You know, the more i read this blog,...Mulder,<br />"You know, the more i read this blog, the more i'm starting to come to the conclusion that pepe and a couple others are here to merely rile us up. "<br /><br />Fascinating comment, Mulder. <br />What an insight into your process. <br />Clearly, you see these people as here 'merely' to goad you into some sort of ideological or emotional response. So one sided. So utterly arrogant and selfish. <br />Truly, you understand the religion of 'me'. <br />You may, or may not, understand the science and philosophy as well as some of the other various Godless on here, but you sure do understand the sentiment. You are not blinded by science, you are honestly and instinctively sightless. <br /> <br />I am now far more interested in your posts! <br /><br />Could you humour this poor medievalist and explain/clarify to me: Who are the 'couple of others'? <br />Do I qualify as one of the 'others', or am I part of another conspiracy to confound and irritate? <br />And MOST importantly: Who exactly are the mysterious 'us'? <br /> <br />:PAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-68533374544470056642012-02-07T08:03:39.287-05:002012-02-07T08:03:39.287-05:00Oh ha! ha ha! 'DickyDawk'! Oh boy, thats a...Oh ha! ha ha! 'DickyDawk'! Oh boy, thats a real knee-slapper. How do you ever come up with such high brow humor?<br /><br />You know, the more i read this blog, the more i'm starting to come to the conclusion that pepe and a couple others are here to merely rile us up. There's just a whole lot of baiting going on here all the time. Ever notice how he never has any real reasoning or articulate replies? Only snarky little one-liners or insults.Mulderhttp://muldonia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-36752070603153418172012-02-07T06:05:47.363-05:002012-02-07T06:05:47.363-05:00I lent my two Mormon friends my copy of Richard Da...I lent my two Mormon friends my copy of Richard Dawkins' book 'Climbing Mount Improbable' and they were highly impressed by it!<br /><br />Actually, the reason was because they have a fig tree, and fig trees have the distressing property of producing a lot of 'fruit' over a very short time, all of which either goes rotten very quickly or is consumed by the neighborhood birds, so they've been providing me with their surplus.<br /><br />I noted to them that figs aren't fruit, they're flowers, and have the most complex life cycle, involving around 900 separate fig wasps, each one for each of around 900 fig tree species, and that Richard Dawkins explains it very well in the last chapter, and that it needed to be read at least three times, twice to understand it, and the third to be amazed.<br /><br />Needless to say, they were impressed.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-91972118385410454942012-02-06T23:20:33.587-05:002012-02-06T23:20:33.587-05:00"If you believe DisckyDawk, then passing on y..."<i>If you believe DisckyDawk, then passing on your genes by ANY MEANS is the right thing to do.</i>"<br /><br />Once again, one wonders exactly how you think that molesting children would serve to pass on any genes at all.<br /><br />(Oh, by the way, that "modern synthesis" thing you think is replacing what you imagine Darwinism to be? Dawkins has been influential in the promotion of it. Dawkins is an advocate for the modern synthesis.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49949024877857399902012-02-06T20:44:31.152-05:002012-02-06T20:44:31.152-05:00I understood it all right! It's crap from begi...I understood it all right! It's crap from beginning to end...<br /><br />I see you haven't yet recovered from 'Plant Fossils of West Virginia'!<br /><br />Too much info for you I suppose...Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-57068560695607345022012-02-06T20:34:37.856-05:002012-02-06T20:34:37.856-05:00Pepe,
Yes, but did you understand it? Going on y...Pepe,<br /><br />Yes, but did you understand it? Going on your lack of comprehension of Monte Hieb's 'Plant Fossils of West Virginia', I doubt that you know what you're actually talking about.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-29134379469404994142012-02-06T20:14:55.506-05:002012-02-06T20:14:55.506-05:00bach,
Yes, I have read this monument of stupidity...bach,<br /><br />Yes, I have read this monument of stupidity!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-69888490532180540482012-02-06T20:10:24.358-05:002012-02-06T20:10:24.358-05:00Pepe,
Have you actually read 'the Selfish Gen...Pepe,<br /><br />Have you actually read 'the Selfish Gene'? I doubt that you've been able to get much past the title.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-66664019406550307772012-02-06T19:47:32.573-05:002012-02-06T19:47:32.573-05:00To all you atheists who firmly believe to be accid...To all you atheists who firmly believe to be accidents of nature:<br /><br />On what basis can you judge what is right and what is wrong?<br /><br />Does an old alpha chimp having sex with a baby female or male (this has been documented) doing something wrong?<br /><br />If you believe that we human are EVOLVED primates and not better than animals, on what basis can you say our actions are right or wrong?Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44793869047025230782012-02-06T19:43:25.815-05:002012-02-06T19:43:25.815-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1877886707565394352012-02-06T19:34:01.511-05:002012-02-06T19:34:01.511-05:00Pepe, I guess facts and uncomfortable truths can s...Pepe, I guess facts and uncomfortable truths can seem venomous when they cause the cognitive dissonance that forces you to believe ridiculous things. A recent comprehensive meta-analysis confirmed a reliable negative relation between cognitive ability and right-wing ideologies. The only question is which comes first, the right-wind ideologies, or the low cognitive ability. It probably doesn’t matter because both paths lead to the same destination.<br /><br />http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187.full.pdf+html<br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-53952105589359712382012-02-06T19:28:52.144-05:002012-02-06T19:28:52.144-05:00You should assume your beliefs.
Your Grand Master...You should assume your beliefs.<br /><br />Your Grand Master, Dawkins, a.k.a Dickydawk, a.k.a the Darwin Gofer, has ruled that we are the servants of our selfish genes.<br /><br />You either believe what he says or you don't!<br /><br />If you believe DisckyDawk, then passing on your genes by ANY MEANS is the right thing to do.<br /><br />If you don't believe DisckyDawk, then come and join us in seeking the Truth!<br /><br />PS: troy, you are disgusting!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-35777275573541396432012-02-06T18:37:25.236-05:002012-02-06T18:37:25.236-05:00If I was a Darwinist (God forbid) I would say that...<i>If I was a Darwinist (God forbid) I would say that child abuse is a way of passing on my genes. As Dawkins, a.k.a. DickyDawk, says: our genes are selfish.</i><br /><br />I'm glad you're not a Darwinist then and that your religion prevents you from acting on your psychopathic tendencies. <br /><br />A technical question: how do you suppose that a priest buggering a little boy's ass is spreading his genes?troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-61012805793535835872012-02-06T18:23:02.492-05:002012-02-06T18:23:02.492-05:00You think having sex with an underaged child is a ...You think having sex with an underaged child is a way of spreading your genes? That just might be the most ignorant thing I have ever read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-11305932839416995192012-02-06T17:53:27.559-05:002012-02-06T17:53:27.559-05:00The reading of this post and the comments help me ...The reading of this post and the comments help me understand why God became human in His Son and why He suffered to save us.<br /><br />Atheists will respond that God should have made us perfect. He did! But He gave us the ultimate gift of all... Free Will. And look what we have done with this gift!<br /><br />If I was a Darwinist (God forbid) I would say that child abuse is a way of passing on my genes. As Dawkins, a.k.a. DickyDawk, says: our genes are selfish.<br /><br />Bravo materialists!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1691724786862949802012-02-06T17:35:45.933-05:002012-02-06T17:35:45.933-05:00Did you get your data from wikipedia?Did you get your data from wikipedia?Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-63770519569887251632012-02-06T17:23:18.603-05:002012-02-06T17:23:18.603-05:00Egnor:
The double standard of the media coverage ...Egnor:<br /><br /><i>The double standard of the media coverage of child sexual abuse by priests and of the media coverage of child sexual abuse by educators and by people in other walks of life is disgusting. It is pure anti-Catholic bigotry-- a modern analogue to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, directed against the Catholic Church.</i><br /><br />You just couldn't resist putting in that last bit about the Protocols, could you? Downplaying the murderous effects of the antisemitic Protocols by comparing them to the uncomfortable feelings the bad press has caused in Catholics. How many Catholics have been murdered as a result of the bad press?<br /><br />Anyway. Has the press really treated the Roman Catholic Church that unfairly compared to others? Although children are in greater danger of being abused by their relatives, their babysitters or their teachers than by priests, the fact remains that the RCC has obstructed justice at the highest levels of their organization, including the infallible Pope. <br /><br />An organization that claims the moral high ground by pretending to speak for God. That sets the RCC apart from other groups with high rates of child abuse and that's why they deserve stronger criticism.<br /><br />In Ireland, 5% of all sexual abuse of children is by clergy, according to the RCC itself. Yet 0.1% of the people belong to the clergy. That makes an average clergyman 50 times more likely to commit sexual abuse of children than an average person. It's probably less than that because some clergymen commit many such acts, but still. What does that tell you about the values of the sect they represent?troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-62274306662099284272012-02-06T15:01:31.842-05:002012-02-06T15:01:31.842-05:00KW:
Some priests (and teachers, bus drivers, astr...KW:<br /><br />Some priests (and teachers, bus drivers, astronauts, etc) are child buggerers, and you're a bigot. <br /><br />True and true.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-72159994048253072892012-02-06T13:23:15.010-05:002012-02-06T13:23:15.010-05:00Hey, KW, spurting your venom as usual?Hey, KW, spurting your venom as usual?Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-59537947171485475882012-02-06T13:19:02.993-05:002012-02-06T13:19:02.993-05:00Cannot expect much more from King WishWashy!Cannot expect much more from King WishWashy!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-25536439192166376492012-02-06T12:56:41.914-05:002012-02-06T12:56:41.914-05:00"There is much more to this story. The guy wa..."<i>There is much more to this story. The guy was suspected for years, and the school did nothing.</i>"<br /><br />So cite the article in which this is shown. Saying "they knew" while not actually linking to an article showing this doesn't really support your case. It just looks like you are making crap up.<br /><br />"<i>You need to address Shakeshaft's data, compiled for the Department of Education.</i>"<br /><br />You mean the data that shows that priests are more than one and a half times as likely to molest children as a teacher is to either molest or harass one?<br /><br />You see, Shakeshaft's data doesn't cover child molestation. It covers all forms of sexual misconduct, including issues like harassment. While harassment is also a serious problem, it isn't molestation. Until there is data that unpacks the two, comparing Shakeshaft's data on teachers to the information on child molestation by priests is comparing apples and oranges.<br /><br />And even when you include other actions that aren't child molestation in the teacher's tally (as Shakeshaft does), the priests still measure up poorly. Even if you only compare priests to elementary school teachers, priests measure up poorly.<br /><br />Just comparing priests to elementary school teachers and assuming elementary school teachers accounted for all the sexual misconduct in Shakeshaft's study, a priest is one and a half times more likely to molest a child than a teacher. Adding in all teachers through high school brings the total number of teachers up to about four million. This means that a given priest is almost <i>twice</i> as likely to sexual abuse a child as a teacher is to engage in sexual misconduct.<br /><br />"<i>I made my points clearly in my post. I have no interest in restating it to convince a bigot.</i>"<br /><br />You are desperate and flailing here. Your priesthood is full of people who are far more likely to abuse children than any member of the school system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-88223188949592984362012-02-06T12:46:08.001-05:002012-02-06T12:46:08.001-05:00There is much more to this story. The guy was susp...There is much more to this story. The guy was suspected for years, and the school did nothing.<br /><br />You need to address Shakeshaft's data, compiled for the Department of Education. <br /><br />I made my points clearly in my post. I have no interest in restating it to convince a bigot.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-469818932424018672012-02-06T12:35:49.198-05:002012-02-06T12:35:49.198-05:00In the article you linked, the school authorities ...In the article you linked, the school authorities were notified, removed the teacher from the classroom, fired him, and cooperated with law enforcement. They provided counselors to the victims who could be identified.<br /><br />The diocese was informed of their errant priest's actions, on several occasions, and rather than taking action, moved to stop actions. They continued to employ him even after they knew he was molesting children. They didn't cooperate with law enforcement.<br /><br />The situations are reportedly differently because the authorities in question responded differently. Your efforts to try to paint them as parallel smack of desperation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com