tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post7098952047032426593..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Jerry Coyne goes on Polish television to talk about atheismmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-10653421308598008052013-09-21T19:32:57.691-04:002013-09-21T19:32:57.691-04:00I think that instead of congratulating 'troy&#...I think that instead of congratulating 'troy' on the birth of his son, you guys ought to react to the birth consistently with what his God-hatred asserts to be the truth about human beings and their place in the Grand Non-Scheme Of Things.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-80068096915412333592013-09-21T15:18:35.368-04:002013-09-21T15:18:35.368-04:00Thanks very much for the congrats, Mike and Crus. ...Thanks very much for the congrats, Mike and Crus. No time further responses right now - the little guy needs attention and I'm sure you're familiar with the lack of sleep at this stage... troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50319539453644993332013-09-21T10:56:01.947-04:002013-09-21T10:56:01.947-04:00Hi Marat.
If I understand you correctly you are s...Hi Marat. <br />If I understand you correctly you are saying that - even as a lapsed Catholic and despite the invective rhetoric - you still find Egnorance is more engaging/interesting than Coyne's mess of a blog. <br />My great uncle who was very dear to me as a child was from Poland and was a WWII veteran (RAF), POW, and Soviet Labor camp prisoner. He was a NPC - or a 'non practicing Catholic' and an accomplished drinker . <br />He believed and he did pray, but he was not a religious man any longer. He actually had a part time job as maintenance at man at the local RCC when he retired. He knew the priests, but only took communion a few times a year. He was thrilled at the election of John Paul II. <br />He was a kind, hard working, sharp man. <br />I miss his pragmatic personality very much. <br />Anyway....<br />Hi from Canada. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44663170454915932832013-09-21T10:45:01.165-04:002013-09-21T10:45:01.165-04:00Troy,
Congratulations on the birth of your son. ...Troy, <br /><br />Congratulations on the birth of your son. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-23173760922741421502013-09-20T18:01:55.481-04:002013-09-20T18:01:55.481-04:00troy:
Regarding the Ukraine, you seem to forget t...troy:<br /><br />Regarding the Ukraine, you seem to forget that the Ukraine was under the boot of your beloved atheist culture for most of the 20th century. <br /><br />Atheism in the former Soviet paradise lingers, like a stench. mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-62740952508360651992013-09-20T18:00:25.312-04:002013-09-20T18:00:25.312-04:00troy:
Congratulations on the birth of your son!
...troy:<br /><br />Congratulations on the birth of your son!<br /><br />On the murders of Jews in Poland following Nazi occupation, you misrepresent the situation. Many Jews (and others) collaborated with the Soviets when they invaded and occupied eastern Poland in 1939-1941. There were a lot of scores to settle, and unfortunately some Catholics took revenge when they could. It's a much more complicated story than simple anti-Semitism. <br /><br />Regarding Dutch culture, only 30% of people are actually atheists. Church attendance is not high (20%), but the Netherlands has a very long history of rich Christian culture. You are living on its fumes. <br /><br />You will increasingly live in an Islamic culture, which is what will replace Christian culture in areas of Europe that are stupid enough to lose Christianity.<br /><br />Atheist culture per se is non-existent, outside of atheist totalitarian hellholes, which seem to implode with regularity. mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-45826040319587438692013-09-20T15:44:51.256-04:002013-09-20T15:44:51.256-04:00Interesting 'analysis', Adm Draft Dodger. ...Interesting 'analysis', Adm Draft Dodger. <br /><br />Do you consider it "salutory" that the good Polish Catholics continued with pogroms and mass murder of Jews for years after the Germans had lost the war and had left Poland? <br /><br />Since you mentioned the Netherlands, it's interesting to note that, in the Netherlands, members of a certain religion are highly overrepresented among criminals. You know, that Christianity spin-off known as Islam.<br /><br />How do you explain that Ukraine, a far more religious country than the Netherlands, is practically run by the mob? My brother-in-law is the owner of a small factory in Ukraine, and because of this he has to travel with a bodyguard, 24/7. Unthinkable in the Netherlands. My youngest son, who was born 3 days ago, has dual Dutch and Ukrainian nationality, but I feel much safer for him to grow up here rather than in Ukraine.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28910019046457596802013-09-20T09:12:35.234-04:002013-09-20T09:12:35.234-04:00Hi from Poland
The last words with "Krakow - ...Hi from Poland<br />The last words with "Krakow - Katyn" "disanalogy" was rarther unecessary. <br />There are many simplifications in this blog note, <br />but in quoted words of Jerry Coyne are many <br />populistic and very exagerated thought, too.<br />Summa (not theologica) is, in my eyes (I am born and know very well christian and catholic doctrine, but i don't declare myself as catholic, despite being "indoctr." in school :D)<br />so..summa in about 1,5 point to 1,0 point, Egnorance win a bit. <br />regardsMarat Dakuninhttp://www.maratdakunin.salon24.plnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50993096426322693662013-09-20T08:05:59.942-04:002013-09-20T08:05:59.942-04:00Ilion,
Precisely. Ilion, <br /><br />Precisely. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-19954892832191585372013-09-20T08:04:35.648-04:002013-09-20T08:04:35.648-04:00"I say in reply: get down off the dais, cut t..."I say in reply: get down off the dais, cut the strut, and show me the working demo, big boy."<br /><br />As we have both noted on this page, adm, theirs is the madness of hubris. They buy into the whole Gen 3.5 thing. <br />People like Troy call us the liars for 'Jeebus' for not sharing in their mythological views. Other more sophisticated bigots just whine about what they 'expect from creationists' is deception. <br />Lies? Liars? No. We profess our beliefs, whether or not they like it.<br /><br />But it is they who profess to know all and slight others for their perfectly rational faith that are the liars, not the believers themselves. <br />These 'new atheists' are arrogant, pretentious liars who dream of usurping moral power and control. <br />They are Fabians, internationalists, and globalists in academic drag. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-15775783375504703532013-09-19T17:37:37.270-04:002013-09-19T17:37:37.270-04:00Georgie,
You're still a delusional senile old...Georgie,<br /><br />You're still a delusional senile old fart. I've never said that the human brain isn't incredible. I've said on several occasions that it's the most complex structure in the Universe (that we know of).<br /><br />We don't know exactly how the brain functions. It's been said that if the human brain was simple enough for us to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.<br /><br />Tool use in chimps is interesting. They just don't pick up any stick in the vicinity of a termite hill and poke into it. They find a suitable at a distance, fashion into a suitable shape and carry it to the termite hill, so they also show planning and tool making. It's not just tool use.<br /><br />John Avise has said for one that the human genome could have been better designed. His book 'Inside the Human Genome. A Case for Non-Intelligent Design' makes the case. It was published in 2009, the same year as Stephen Meyer's 'Signature in the Cell', which caused a lot of creationists to wet their pants in excitement, although most of them later said in their Amazon reviews that they didn't quite understand it.<br />bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27637622660675609672013-09-19T17:21:18.308-04:002013-09-19T17:21:18.308-04:00Georgie,
You're a delusional senile old fart....Georgie,<br /><br />You're a delusional senile old fart.<br /><br />A question; would you necessarily trust the word of an eyewitness of an event, even if the eyewitness is highly confident and you have no doubt of the honesty of the eyewitness?<br /><br />I'm a realist. I realise that although the human brain is very good, it still can be fooled. I insist on independent backup of my beliefs.<br /><br />It's dangerous to have someone who is convinced that the human brain is perfect, not prone to failure or error, as you are. As shown by your reference to 'Saint Steno'.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49987360950265565932013-09-19T13:39:12.238-04:002013-09-19T13:39:12.238-04:00I mean that if these instances that Jerry Coyne ci...I mean that if these instances that Jerry Coyne cites are the worst that Polish atheists suffer they're still better off than Christians in America. <br /><br />Some of them sound bad, though I have a feeling that Jerry Coyne might be leaving out some of the backstory. I don't defend Polish laws that forbid people from offending others' religious sensibilities. Offending others' religious sensibilities is a core right. Even so, the offenses he cites are pretty weak sauce. The suffocating power of the state is routinely unleashed here in America against believers in ways that are far worse. <br /><br />JoeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9789405339272068852013-09-19T11:48:40.041-04:002013-09-19T11:48:40.041-04:00C-Rex, one of the most amazing notions expressed d...C-Rex, one of the most amazing notions expressed during my discussions with materialists is the criticism and belittling of human biology and cognitive faculties (e.g. blankfield above).<br /><br />These people cavalierly disparage what is absolutely the most astonishing thing in the known universe, the human mind. It's a mind capable of understanding the very sinews of the material cosmos; capable of contemplating life, death, and existence; capable of contemplating itself; and capable of manipulating the ineffable mysteries of the quantum world to produce common, workaday objects like like tunnel diodes.<br /><br />In a talk I'm asked to give now and then, I have a slide with two images: a chimp poking a dead stump with a stick and two spacewalking astronauts performing a repair on the international space station. To put both those in the same category of "tool use" is laughable. And, in fact, people do laugh when they realize what they are truly being told by the materialists.<br /><br />I recall a few months ago, in a discussion like this, Hoots said he had a "colleague" claiming that had <i>he</i> been in charge of designing DNA, <i>he</i> would have done a much better job. While I strongly doubt the veracity of Hoots' story, I do not doubt that some strutting, self-aggrandizing biologist somewhere (like Coyne) said something like it.<br /><br />I say in reply: get down off the dais, cut the strut, and show me the working demo, big boy.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65114062547726541152013-09-19T10:26:35.865-04:002013-09-19T10:26:35.865-04:00Adm.
My thanks. It's always nice to know tha...Adm. <br /><br />My thanks. It's always nice to know that my post made some sort of sense to someone! <br />I find it hard to discuss such an illogical and counter- belief system (ie <br />eliminative/monist materialism/atheism, solipsism, satanism etc) and make any sort of logical sense. It is akin to a conversation about nothing with someone who <i>believes</i> in it with a passion. An exercise in futility, at least superficially. <br />So it is extremely pleasant to get some feedback and input of a rational nature. <br />Steno's case is so typical of what even the slightest research into the established record shows. Scratch under the surface of the greatest scientific minds and discoveries and you will often find extremely interesting characters possessed of ravenous philosophical curiosity and great faith. <br /><br />Alas, we both know the stock answer to this obvious reality, adm. <br />We both know that the claim will be these minds were great DESPITE their delving into meaning and their faith in God. We both know the emergent simians will cite coincidence and blind luck as the cause of these improbable people making profound discovery and relating world changing ideas and delusion as the reason for their crediting of the Creator for inspiration. <br />For, it could not possibly be that this pattern in the depth of personality we see is meaningful, for meaning (in the E/M-A/M view) is assigned - and the evolved minds chose not to assign it when it is inconvenient; which is, of course, most of the time and most specifically when it ripples the waters in their reflection pool of Neo-Paganesque, Narcissus-like self and leader/alpha worship cults. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-86055958009725768872013-09-19T09:48:19.993-04:002013-09-19T09:48:19.993-04:00C.Rex "What KW is actually referring to when ...<b>C.Rex</b> "<i>What KW is actually referring to when he says 'biology' is 'natural history', which is a social science ...</i>"<br /><br />Or, to put it another way -- "<i>What KW is actually referring to when he says 'biology' is '[butterfly collecting]', which is a social science ...</i>"<br /><br />Or, to put it yet another way, as the physicist John Borrow once said to the (alleged) biologist Richard Dawkins --<br />"<i>You have a problem with these ideas, Richard, because you're not really a scientist. You're a biologist</i>"Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-13090374228987911742013-09-19T09:44:46.905-04:002013-09-19T09:44:46.905-04:00You're right, backfield. My error. He was, in ...You're right, backfield. My error. He was, in fact, venerated as a popular saint after his death, but he is officially Blessed Steno. And blessed he was. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-41072191461747832452013-09-19T09:44:06.499-04:002013-09-19T09:44:06.499-04:00Joey,
Could you clarify what you mean by 'be...Joey, <br /><br />Could you clarify what you mean by 'better'? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-48049066059512143522013-09-19T09:37:32.894-04:002013-09-19T09:37:32.894-04:00backfire, you're the one who's delusional....backfire, you're the one who's delusional. You say so yourself; a self-diagnosed schizophrenic. Unless you're <i>exempt</i> from your own "clanking, wheezing, Rube Goldberg machine subject to deletions - oops! sorry! Batfarkian Compressions - illusions, delusions and hallucinations".<br /><br />And tell me, batfark, what exempted Galileo? How did he get it right? Random process? And why in the world would other people with "clanking, wheezing, Rube Goldberg machine subject to deletions - oops! sorry! Batfarkian Compressions - illusions, delusions and hallucinations" see the same illusions and hallucinations if they have different long-term memories?<br /><br />You should publish all this stuff over at crank.net, batfark.<br /><br />But wait! I have a question... are you exempt, batfark? Or are you a deluded, hallucinating, meat machine in thrall to your own irretrievably crippled faculties? Because unless you are exempt, how do you know that your perception of my delusions are not just a delusion on your part?<br /><br />I look forward to more tangential mutterings.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27328717337757192992013-09-19T09:17:58.552-04:002013-09-19T09:17:58.552-04:00Georgie,
Nicholas Steno isn't a saint yet. H...Georgie,<br /><br />Nicholas Steno isn't a saint yet. He's been beatified but not canonised.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83862836199515354752013-09-19T09:16:03.673-04:002013-09-19T09:16:03.673-04:00Georgie,
You're still delusional. It's t...Georgie,<br /><br />You're still delusional. It's the experiment that makes science. Making repeated observations of the same phenomenon. Galileo might not have been able to record the results of balls rolling down an inclined plane, but he could (and did) record the method, allowing anyone to repeat the experiment if desired. Similarly, he was forced to make drawings of his observations of the Jovian moons, but anyone with a telescope could verify them if desired.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-38662824799388342972013-09-19T09:03:46.952-04:002013-09-19T09:03:46.952-04:00It's "turtles all the way down", isn...It's "turtles all the way down", isn't it, backfield?Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-62278721411408687502013-09-19T09:02:52.408-04:002013-09-19T09:02:52.408-04:00So there was no reliable science before phenomena ...So there was no reliable science before phenomena could be independently recorded by a device built by individuals crippled by a "clanking, wheezing, Rube Goldberg machine subject to deletions - oops! sorry! Batfarkian Compressions - illusions, delusions and hallucinations?"<br /><br />Keep going...Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51578483879796898622013-09-19T08:49:15.576-04:002013-09-19T08:49:15.576-04:00Georgie,
You're so delusional you still think...Georgie,<br /><br />You're so delusional you still think that your fleet of plastic toy battleships in your bathtub is a real navy.<br /><br />Reality is that which doesn't go away when you examine it in depth. 'Reality' which is detected by unreliable human senses and which is incapable of being recorded and re-examined later is to be doubted. As shown by the myth of N-radiation.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-38584553150603037322013-09-19T08:36:39.576-04:002013-09-19T08:36:39.576-04:00Well said, C-Rex. In one of the most exquisite iro...Well said, C-Rex. In one of the most exquisite ironies of the whole "debate", Nicolas Steno (1638 - 1686), discovered what are still known today as Steno's Laws (of geological stratigraphy)that unlocked the time dimension of the fossil record.<br /><br />Steno, bishop and scientist, is more formally known as St Steno.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.com