tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post7564127482799818490..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Nick Gillespie on gays in the Boy Scoutsmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-34025044377747736662013-02-05T21:22:10.977-05:002013-02-05T21:22:10.977-05:00Little John,
Cynthia Nixo says she has tried hete...Little John,<br /><br />Cynthia Nixo says she has tried heterosexual sex. She says she has tried homosexual sex. She says that she prefers homosexual sex to heterosexual sex, so therefore, she's a homosexual.<br /><br />Why did she prefer homosexual sex to heterosexual sex? It's the old nature/nurture question.<br /><br />Perhaps, her genetic makeup is such that she's preprogrammed to prefer homosexual sex. Perhaps her early childhood experiences, not now remembered, predisposed hey to prefer homosexual sex.<br /><br />Or perhaps, you're right, and she's a sinner who diberately learned to prefer homosexual sex when she became an adult.<br /><br />Who knows? Shrugs shoulders...bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-33234991106784670942013-02-05T17:36:27.855-05:002013-02-05T17:36:27.855-05:00Why is it appropriate in that circumstance, Little...Why is it appropriate in that circumstance, Little John? Because of your religious beliefs? Why should others be bound by your faith, especially in a secular nation like the US?<br />Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9405586404673961372013-02-05T17:34:18.023-05:002013-02-05T17:34:18.023-05:00Homosexuals are not asking for special protection,...Homosexuals are not asking for special protection, they're asking for equality.<br /><br />So even if you were right, that it is a choice, there is still good reason to offer them protection under the law - Just as religion is a choice, and religious individuals have protection under the law.<br /><br />As for it being a choice, assuming you're heterosexual, when did you make that choice?Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-19226337766808883212013-02-05T16:46:17.295-05:002013-02-05T16:46:17.295-05:00When homosexuality is properly understood as a cho...When homosexuality is properly understood as a choice it becomes nothing more than a weird sex club, not deserving of any special protection under the law. <br /><br />Little JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-57305251551498299912013-02-05T15:53:31.325-05:002013-02-05T15:53:31.325-05:00TRISH: The "hate-mongers" are right! Som...TRISH: The "hate-mongers" are right! Someone gag Cynthia Nixon before she says anything more damaging.<br /><br />Little JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-23311904433296772242013-02-05T15:51:19.393-05:002013-02-05T15:51:19.393-05:00Your point is irrelevant to her point, KW. Her poi...Your point is irrelevant to her point, KW. Her point is that they are both volitional behaviors. We understand that when it comes to child molesting. Why do we pretend that homosexuals are incapable of controlling themselves? Because if we thought otherwise, we'd be accepting that being a homosexual is a choice, which it is. The idea that homosexuals are just born that way is so fundamental to every one of their arguments that they would lose everything by admitting that they've been wrong. They've spent a generation pounding that idea into our heads--it's not a choice, it's not a choice, it's not a choice. <br /><br />People who haven't yet accepted this faulty logic can see clearly that no one would ever accept such craptastic logic about any other volitional sexual behavior. We would never accept that guys who run around raping little boys (or little girls) don't have a choice in the matter because they were just born that way. In fact, the logic of the homosexual argument applies doubly to child rapists--if being a pedophile was choice, who would choose it knowing that society would so throughly despise them? Et voila! We've determined that it's not a choice. There must be a gene, we'll find it later. <br /><br />Because it's a volitional behavior it can never be compared to something like race. Some people have black skin. They're simply born that way. There is no nature versus nurture debate. People with black sin will have black sin until the day they die. No one experiments with being black in college, the way some people experiment with homosexuality. <br /><br />Little JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-79519901323958847992013-02-05T15:40:13.103-05:002013-02-05T15:40:13.103-05:00Abortion is not sex. It's violence. That one r...Abortion is not sex. It's violence. That one really annoys me when liberals place it in the wrong category. <br /><br />No one is trying to control you, KW, except in the case of abortion. That's one instance in which I think "controlling" is quite appropriate. <br /><br />Little JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-14561728255139070792013-02-05T13:12:38.559-05:002013-02-05T13:12:38.559-05:00Michael,
And, in addition, in the very same parag...Michael,<br /><br />And, in addition, in the very same paragraph I took my quotation, Aquinas writes 'Hence a thing that in us is a sign of some passion, is signified metaphorically in God under the name of that passion. Thus with us it is usual for an angry man to punish, so that punishment becomes an expression of anger. Therefore punishment itself is signified by the word anger, when anger is attributed to God'.<br /><br />That is, anger in God is a metaphor. God can't be angry, but he can inflict greater or lesser punishments. All this talk about 'univocal', 'equivocal' and 'analogical' is just empty words, with too much knowledge not providing any information. God according to Aquinas can only be 'more angry' about hatred of and hurt to homosexuals if he inflicts a greater punishment for that sin than for homosexuality itself.<br /><br />And you don't have any reason for asserting that of God. Therefore, you're making stuff up (again).bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51241673746659626142013-02-05T08:43:45.472-05:002013-02-05T08:43:45.472-05:00Yes, Michael, but you said that you guess that ...Yes, Michael, but you said that you guess that 'God is as angry ... perhaps even more so', which is ascribing human anger, with human degrees of anger, to God. You did it the way you did to make yourself sound like a better person. One who condemns homophobia more than homosexuals.<br /><br />You're just a hypocrite.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-76280711929834317722013-02-05T07:12:31.167-05:002013-02-05T07:12:31.167-05:00Thomas, like Aristotle, distinguished univocal fro...Thomas, like Aristotle, distinguished univocal from equivocal and analogical.<br /><br />Univocal means that the word means exactly the same for man and God.<br /><br />Equivocal means that the word means entirely different things for man and God.<br /><br />Analogical means that there are similarities between the meaning of the word for man and God, but they are not exactly the same. <br /><br />When Aquinas asserted that "anger is never attributed to God properly", he meant in the univocal sense (that's why he said "properly".) <br /><br />God can be angry analogically, but not univocally. (Aquinas explains analogical, in contrast to univocal and equivocal, by using a medical example in ST I.15.5c)<br /><br />A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, eh bach?mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9363746464088876312013-02-04T21:05:53.718-05:002013-02-04T21:05:53.718-05:00Michael,
'My guess is that God is as angry wi...Michael,<br /><br />'My guess is that God is as angry with the hate and hurt as he is with the act, perhaps even more so'.<br /><br />So you're making stuff up again?<br /><br />Aquinas stated in 'Summa Theologica';<br /><br />'There is, however, this difference between will and anger, that anger is never attributed to God properly, since it its primary meaning it includes passion; whereas will is attributed to Him properly'. [Eleventh Article (I, Q.19, Art. II - I answer that)]<br /><br />I thought you were a Thomist? What made you stop?bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-16103041859433841362013-02-04T20:29:01.068-05:002013-02-04T20:29:01.068-05:00@KW:
Did your parents share your boredom with mon...@KW:<br /><br />Did your parents share your boredom with monogamy and fidelity?mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-69800467199148523822013-02-04T19:10:28.924-05:002013-02-04T19:10:28.924-05:00It is true obviously that homosexuals don't ne...It is true obviously that homosexuals don't necessarily victimize children. It is also true that male homosexuals victimize boys at a much higher rate than female heterosexuals victimize boys or male heterosexuals victimize girls, considering the percentage of male homosexuals in the population ( a few percent) and the percentage of sexually victimized children who are boys victimized by men (20-30%). Facts are facts. <br /><br />But that is not the only issue-- is is certainly true that most male homosexuals do not victimize boys. Yet if homosexuals want full open status in society, they must conform to the same rules that apply to all-- that people who are sexually attracted to specific people (eg hetero men to women or girls, home men to men or boys) are not put in positions of authority and opportunity over potential "conquests". Male teachers are not allowed to accompany girls into bathrooms. Males in young girl organizations are not allowed to take girls camping along. Male homosexuals should not be allowed to take young boys camping alone.<br /><br />There are excellent reasons to protect the young and vulnerable from people in authority who are sexually attracted to them and have the opportunity to act on it. mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-25699161509481665102013-02-04T18:41:09.884-05:002013-02-04T18:41:09.884-05:00Abortion, contraception, homosexuality, Christians...Abortion, contraception, homosexuality, Christians want to control other peoples sex lives. They have put sex in a little box that limits what they will allow themselves to experience sexually. They are sexually stunted, their ideal sexual situation involves having sex with the same person, the same “acceptable” way, over and over until death do they part. Ugh….Do what you want to do, and if that’s all you need to be happy then good for you. Personally I find sex usually starts to get boring after about 6 weeks.<br /><br />Please stop trying to control me.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-57024975664468073872013-02-04T18:12:56.210-05:002013-02-04T18:12:56.210-05:00Child molesters victimize children. Being gay does...Child molesters victimize children. Being gay doesn’t victimize anyone. See the difference?<br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-71031641117885012082013-02-04T17:54:42.422-05:002013-02-04T17:54:42.422-05:00Trish:
My point is that we segregate the sexes fo...Trish:<br /><br /><i>My point is that we segregate the sexes for a reason. It isn't a "phobia." But some girls like girls and some boys like boys, and we can't pretend that they don't. Also, you said that you wouldn't want them tenting together unless you trusted them. I feel the same way, but I would point out that trusted adults do sometimes prey on children. At some point children and adults have to have contact so we can't completely segregate the two, but that's no reason to start mixing them without regard to sexual attractions.</i><br /><br />Sure, that's just common sense. If that's your point, then duh. Who would disagree with that?<br /><br /><i>Oh no, of course not. He's just going to tell them that it's okay. He'd be a poor role model for exactly that reason. I don't want him telling children that it's okay to do what he does. And it's my kid. Get it?</i><br /><br />I get it. I just don't agree that it would be bad for your children to learn and accept that some people are homosexual, and that there is nothing wrong with that.<br /><br /><i>How do you know he's kind? So typical. You imagine my brother-in-law as the homosexual with a heart of gold.</i><br /><br />I didn't mean to imply that I know he is kind. Obviously I don't know him personally. I just said that he can be a good role model by being kind to others. Homosexuals can be assholes and they can be saints, just like everybody else.<br /><br /><br /><i>Bingo! That's what they'd be there to teach--homosexual propaganda. And that's what I don't want them to learn. It's funny how quickly you admit the whole point of this rule change: homosexuals need to get into the scouts so that they can teach the kids that homosexuality is good and there's nothing they can do about it anyway.</i><br /><br />That's not what I think at all. I'm fine with the Scouts banning homosexuals, as I wrote before. I do think that kids should be taught that homosexuality is OK and some people's nature. That's what I will teach my kids when they are old enough to understand. That doesn't encourage homosexuality, but it fosters understanding and acceptance, I hope. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44635867459037446192013-02-04T16:50:16.799-05:002013-02-04T16:50:16.799-05:00Now, let me respond to something you said to Franc...Now, let me respond to something you said to Francisca. "Homosexuality is not a behavior. It is an in-born sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Ask any homosexual - they'll tell you."<br /><br />Homosexuality is a behavior. It's what people do. Attraction is an attraction, acting on it is a behavior. What's really funny is that you think I should simply ask a homosexual, as if they're the expert. We wouldn't ask a pedophile if his attractions are inborn, and we wouldn't even care. It would make his decision to rape kids any less of a behavior. <br /><br />I wonder if you've considered the idea that homosexuals might lie because they understand that the entire basis of their movement is founded on the idea that they're "just born that way?" Homosexuals who actually admitted otherwise would be hurting the cause.<br /><br />But here's a "gay" person we could ask. Her name is Cynthia Nixon and she's an actress on Sex and the City.<br /><br />"I gave a speech recently, an empowerment speech to a gay audience, and it included the line ‘I’ve been straight and I’ve been gay, and gay is better.’ And they tried to get me to change it, because they said it implies that homosexuality can be a choice. And for me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it’s not, but for me it’s a choice, and you don’t get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it’s a choice, then we could opt out."<br /><br />A certain segment of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice! Duh!<br /><br />Some homosexual activist responded: "every religious right hatemonger is now going to quote this woman every single time they want to deny us our civil rights." <br /><br />In other words, stay on script, Cynthia. If you keep telling people it's a choice, the "hate-mongers" will use that as ammunition! Did it ever occur to him that the "hate-mongers" might be right? <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-77481817452975027632013-02-04T16:49:30.667-05:002013-02-04T16:49:30.667-05:00"What's your point?"
My point is th..."What's your point?"<br /><br />My point is that we segregate the sexes for a reason. It isn't a "phobia." But some girls like girls and some boys like boys, and we can't pretend that they don't. Also, you said that you wouldn't want them tenting together unless you trusted them. I feel the same way, but I would point out that trusted adults do sometimes prey on children. At some point children and adults have to have contact so we can't completely segregate the two, but that's no reason to start mixing them without regard to sexual attractions.<br /><br />"Why? He is not going to turn your children into homosexuals." <br /><br />Oh no, of course not. He's just going to tell them that it's okay. He'd be a poor role model for exactly that reason. I don't want him telling children that it's okay to do what he does. And it's my kid. Get it?<br /><br />"He could be a good role model in any number of ways by being kind to others."<br /><br />How do you know he's kind? So typical. You imagine my brother-in-law as the homosexual with a heart of gold. I wish you knew him. There are a few reasons why he wouldn't be a good role model, his sexual lifestyle choices being just one of them. <br /><br />"Your children will accept that some people are born as homosexuals,there's nothing they can do about it..."<br /><br />Bingo! That's what they'd be there to teach--homosexual propaganda. And that's what I don't want them to learn. It's funny how quickly you admit the whole point of this rule change: homosexuals need to get into the scouts so that they can teach the kids that homosexuality is good and there's nothing they can do about it anyway. The point of scouting is not to be an outlet for homosexual propaganda, most of which is of dubious value. No gay gene has ever been found, and even if it was, it would still be a choice because we choose who we sleep with. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality is a choice. Teaching my kids about sex really isn't the job of some homosexual scoutmaster who's assumed that position for himself. <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28614046557041042642013-02-04T15:31:10.823-05:002013-02-04T15:31:10.823-05:00Trish,
I said: "I wouldn't want my daugh...Trish,<br /><br /><i>I said: "I wouldn't want my daughter sleeping in the same tent with boys. I wouldn't want my daughter sleeping in the same tent with lesbian girls. What is so hard to understand about that?" I await your response.</i><br /><br />I thought that was a rhetorical question. Well, my answer is "nothing". I wouldn't want my daughter to sleep in a tent with men or lesbian girls I didn't thoroughly trust. What's your point?<br /><br /><br /><i>Even if my brother-in-law never raped a single kid, he'd still be a bad role model.</i><br /><br />Why? He is not going to turn your children into homosexuals. He could be a good role model in any number of ways by being kind to others. Your children will accept that some people are born as homosexuals, and there's nothing they can do about it, and they are just as good or bad as other people. Trust me.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-4310711554272622182013-02-04T15:23:39.662-05:002013-02-04T15:23:39.662-05:00Francisca:
First of all, I'm not a "sir&...Francisca:<br /><br /><i>First of all, I'm not a "sir", I'm a "ma'am".</i><br /><br />I know. I was mock-talking to myself. My apologies for the confusion I caused.<br /><br /><br /><i>I didn't say that child molesting and homosexuality are the same thing. I said that they're both behaviors. Neither is equivalent to race and thus excluding people because of it is not like excluding black kids. </i><br /><br />You were implying (moral) equivalency. Homosexuality is not a behavior. It is an in-born sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Ask any homosexual - they'll tell you. Ask yourself, who in their right mind would choose to be homosexual, given that so many fellow citizens consider them second-class citizens or worse? So, yes it is very much like black persons being discriminated against because of innate character out of their control (well, Michael Jackson tried).<br /><br /><br /><i>As a matter of fact there is wrong with it</i><br /><br />What's that then? Please explain why it is wrong for consenting adults of the same sex to do it with each other.<br /><br /><br /><i>The point is that it's a behavior and people have a choice of whether or not they want to engage in it.</i><br /><br />So are sleeping and pissing and shitting and eating, and loving. Depriving people from getting intimate with loved ones is about as cruel as it gets. Get rid of that poison that was instilled by mean-spirited self-appointed so-called spiritual leaders.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51808746091909785602013-02-04T14:43:12.688-05:002013-02-04T14:43:12.688-05:00Troy, you laughed off my concern before with an un...Troy, you laughed off my concern before with an unfunny joke about my daughter, so I'll repeat what I said so you can poke holes in my ridiculous logic. I said: "I wouldn't want my daughter sleeping in the same tent with boys. I wouldn't want my daughter sleeping in the same tent with lesbian girls. What is so hard to understand about that?" I await your response. <br /><br />Thank you for standing up for me, Francisca. You make a very good points. <br /><br />My brother-in-law is a homosexual but he isn't a child molester. I know that the two are not the same thing, just as I know that not all boys are going to rape my daughter. That doesn't meant that I want boys in the tent with my daughter. Even if my brother-in-law never raped a single kid, he'd still be a bad role model. He is not being excluded for who he is, but rather for what he does. I understand your point and I think Troy does too, he simply doesn't want to admit it. <br /><br />Troy tried to shame you. Don't succumb to it. Nothing you said was shameful. <br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-91342961620237466542013-02-04T14:28:49.068-05:002013-02-04T14:28:49.068-05:00First of all, I'm not a "sir", I'...First of all, I'm not a "sir", I'm a "ma'am". <br /><br />I didn't say that child molesting and homosexuality are the same thing. I said that they're both behaviors. Neither is equivalent to race and thus excluding people because of it is not like excluding black kids. <br /><br />Nothing I said was "shameful" so you won't catch me backtracking. You on the other hand are picking on some other woman's six year old daughter, you big bully. <br /><br />"There is nothing wrong with consenting adults giving in to that desire, since nobody is harmed by them doing so, including themselves."<br /><br />As a matter of fact there is wrong with it, but that's completely beside the point. The point is that it's a behavior and people have a choice of whether or not they want to engage in it. Both are behaviors, both are choices. Just like you have the choice of whether or not to pick on some six year old girl. <br /><br />--Francisca S. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-83865033325018326022013-02-04T13:17:05.636-05:002013-02-04T13:17:05.636-05:00Did you hear about the abuse files that were relea...Did you hear about the abuse files that were released late last year? They were filled with gays who raped kids. It's not a meme, it's the truth. <br /><br />Also, I don't know what rules the girls scouts have about male leadership but I would be very, very worried about men who take girls camping. <br /><br />--Francisca S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-59656493563516533582013-02-04T13:11:58.012-05:002013-02-04T13:11:58.012-05:00Troy,
Not only are you picking on a six year old...Troy, <br /><br />Not only are you picking on a six year old girl, but you're doing it to her mother. You're a heel.<br /><br />--Francisca. S. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-47898455936418677772013-02-04T11:10:16.364-05:002013-02-04T11:10:16.364-05:00A lot of the girls in my high school were sleeping...A lot of the girls in my high school were sleeping with guys and girls. So it wasn't at all unusual for a girl who engaged in lesbianism to also be getting an abortion. They almost seemed to go together. I don't think you know how girls talk in locker rooms, Troy.<br /><br />TRISHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com