tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post8379966543222592967..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Sunday Egnorance: God's Will; Martina McBridemregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-7214819966972394992015-12-31T17:53:55.283-05:002015-12-31T17:53:55.283-05:00Seriously? One simple example is your house cat w...Seriously? One simple example is your house cat who on capturing a mouse inflicts pain on it until it decides to kill it, often not eating it either! Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267045536136092327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-55357333492745740822015-12-31T17:39:45.104-05:002015-12-31T17:39:45.104-05:00Seriously? One simple example is your house cat w...Seriously? One simple example is your house cat who on capturing a mouse inflicts pain on it until it decides to kill it, often not eating it either! Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267045536136092327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-59575122585849307622011-12-07T12:50:41.095-05:002011-12-07T12:50:41.095-05:00Pepe,
Good news! It's your turn! Come on up. ...Pepe,<br /><br />Good news! It's your turn! Come on up. St. Peter will be giving you a drug test before you come through the gates, but thats just a formality. You will pass it right?<br /><br />Right?<br /><br />-Kisses,<br />JesusJesus Phucking Christhttp://heaven.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9051738067594929232011-12-06T09:54:54.534-05:002011-12-06T09:54:54.534-05:00Evolutionary biology does not tend to attract the ...<i>Evolutionary biology does not tend to attract the sharpest tools in the shed.</i><br /><br />Sharper than anyone associated with ID, or creationism, and any theologian.<br /><br />But keep smearing the clown makeup on and screaming. It might become magically convincing one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-81720616004601536052011-12-06T09:53:28.544-05:002011-12-06T09:53:28.544-05:00So slander is like atheism: UNTRUE!
Slander is un...<i>So slander is like atheism: UNTRUE!</i><br /><br />Slander is untrue statements.<br /><br />Hence, religion is slander.<br /><br />Now you can go back to your padded room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-45893281460558500202011-12-06T09:26:03.581-05:002011-12-06T09:26:03.581-05:00Dear Pépé,
How come you have an Internet access f...Dear Pépé,<br /><br />How come you have an Internet access from your mental institution?<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />God.YHWHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-21414346359869485432011-12-05T16:57:31.216-05:002011-12-05T16:57:31.216-05:00@anusnymouse
So slander is like atheism: UNTRUE!@anusnymouse<br /><br />So slander is like atheism: UNTRUE!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-65687674351873617042011-12-05T13:10:08.161-05:002011-12-05T13:10:08.161-05:00O'Brien:
"Yes, but should we care? Evolu...O'Brien:<br /><br />"<i>Yes, but should we care? Evolutionary biology does not tend to attract the sharpest tools in the shed.</i><br /><br />You mean tools like Ronald Fisher?troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-38745975876028673982011-12-05T13:01:00.399-05:002011-12-05T13:01:00.399-05:00"Evolutionary biologists suggest that altruis..."Evolutionary biologists suggest that altruistic behavior can arise naturally."<br /><br />Yes, but should we care? Evolutionary biology does not tend to attract the sharpest tools in the shed. In any event, ethology/sociobiology strikes me as glorified extispicy.O'Briennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-3960728507118116162011-12-05T09:53:33.612-05:002011-12-05T09:53:33.612-05:00@crusadeREX
You are right.
It sure made the usual...@crusadeREX<br />You are right.<br /><br />It sure made the usual atheists very very angry and that's the mark of a <b>Brilliant post</b> as you say.<br /><br />Atheists just can't bear the truth!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-86829567483961402332011-12-05T09:15:37.707-05:002011-12-05T09:15:37.707-05:00Brilliant post, Mike.
Right from the heart, too. ...Brilliant post, Mike. <br />Right from the heart, too. <br />Kudos.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49124021718860167912011-12-05T05:38:46.546-05:002011-12-05T05:38:46.546-05:00mregnor:
If there is no God, there is no objecti...mregnor:<br /><br /><i> If there is no God, there is no objective moral law. Just admit the obvious.</i><br /><br />You are disgusting. Everything you say about "God" is extremely offensive because it implies that your religion is the right one and that mine is wrong. But your God doesn't exist and the only God is Baal. Repent before it's too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1969196285967451642011-12-04T21:46:20.621-05:002011-12-04T21:46:20.621-05:00Egnor: "Without objective morality and God, y...Egnor: "Without objective morality and God, you have no reason to care about the suffering of others." <br /><br />Mike, you are a hoot. <br /><br />I care about the suffering of others not because I <i>reason</i> to it but because it is human <i>nature</i> to empathize with other human beings. It does not matter whether you believe in God or not. We are hard-wired to empathize. <br /><br />How that came about is a good question. People like you say it is because God hard-wired us to feel empathy. Evolutionary biologists suggest that altruistic behavior can arise naturally. There are well-known toy models in game theory that illustrate how altruistic behavior can produce selective advantage. See <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for a brief outline. There is no reason to think that altruism cannot arise in nature and thus requires an intelligent designer. <br /><br />Learn some biology, for Christ's sake. You are a doctor, after all.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-55746226170481834652011-12-04T21:07:11.106-05:002011-12-04T21:07:11.106-05:00Michael,
I do believe in objective morality, just...Michael,<br /><br />I do believe in objective morality, just not your bullshit definition of it. The meaning of words is not one of your strong points. Remember your bullshit definition of 'imaginary'? My correction of your 100% wrong definition led to a paranoid rant in another thread on your part. Paranoia is also a good assessment of part of your psychopathology.<br /><br />You have nothing coherent to say about suffering. You are completely incoherent, and talking nothing but bullshit.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-40681542027315531752011-12-04T20:54:21.654-05:002011-12-04T20:54:21.654-05:00@bach:
[I care about the suffering of others, bec...@bach:<br /><br />[I care about the suffering of others, because if they can get into a situation where they suffer, then I can also get into a situation where I can suffer.<br /><br />I do believe in objective morality, just not your bizarre definition of 'objective'. Morality allows groups of humans to survive and prosper.]<br /><br />What bullshit. <br /><br />1) You don't believe in objective morality, which means moral law that exists independent of human opinion. If there is no God, there is no objective moral law. Just admit the obvious. <br /><br />2) Without objective morality and God, you have no reason to care about the suffering of others unless they share your DNA or can reciprocate. Even then, your concern is selfish.<br /><br />Atheists have nothing coherent to say about suffering. Suffering is a difficult topic for Christians. It is an impossible topic for atheists.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-36730778308703106922011-12-04T20:04:25.584-05:002011-12-04T20:04:25.584-05:00Pepe, much of the junk DNA has been clearly identi...Pepe, much of the junk DNA has been clearly identied as “Pseudogenes”, damaged, non-functional copies of functional genes. When an extra copy of a gene is present one of the two copies can undergo further mutation while the other one continues to carryout the genes original function. The vast majority of these mutations compromise the gene’s original function making it junk. On rare occasions these mutations result in a new function for the gene that can then be influenced by selection pressure.<br /><br />There is no doubt that there are sections of the genome that are highly conserved but still mysterious. Their ubiquity implies functionality that has yet to be discovered, but there is absolutely no doubt that we have identified broken copies of existing genes in many species. There is also no doubt that as we refine our theories based on detailed observation we will eventually have the tools solve the remaining mysteries of the Genome.<br /><br />Here’s an evolution base prediction off the top of my head. Non-coding genetic sequences with no known function that are preserved over long periods of time in multiple species will be found to serve the same function in all cases where it is preserved. Now that sounds reasonable to me, but I’m no expert, it could be total B.S. My point is that having a theoretical framework allows you to make predictions even if those predictions are wrong. “Magic man in the sky did it” doesn’t give you a framework to make predictions of any kind. If we indeed live in a universe where a magic man can do whatever he wants whenever he wants too, it’s truly amazing that no observation has ever been made that supports that notion. <br /><br />Please give me just one prediction of something we should observe assuming your god is real, just one. Historical examples are welcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-30431668866112950332011-12-04T20:02:54.445-05:002011-12-04T20:02:54.445-05:00Oops,
I meant to write 'cognitive dissonance&...Oops,<br /><br />I meant to write 'cognitive dissonance'. Curse the spell check on an iPad!bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-10325215902186941132011-12-04T20:00:50.606-05:002011-12-04T20:00:50.606-05:00Michael,
I care about the suffering of others, be...Michael,<br /><br />I care about the suffering of others, because if they can get into a situation where they suffer, then I can also get into a situation where I can suffer.<br /><br />I do believe in objective morality, just not your bizarre definition of 'objective'. Morality allows groups of humans to survive and prosper.<br /><br />I'm not worried about competition preventing my genes propagating. As the 7th and last child in a large family, I decided long ago that my siblings could do the hard lifting of proprogating copies of my genes, so I decided I wasn't going to reproduce.<br /><br />OK, you won't reveal the illness afflicting your Lutheran friend, but you assure us it was life threatening, for privacy reasons. You've identified him as Steve, at an unnamed hospital at an unspecified time, so no one would be able to identify him. What illness would infringe the privacy of an anonymous person?<br /><br />I take my atheism much more seriously than you take your religion. I think that if we stuff up this Earth, then there are no second chances, so I'm consistent with my environmentalism. You claim that suffering is part of God's plan, and then you go and try and alleviate it. Go genitive dissonance is a good description of part of your psychopathology.<br /><br />Pepe,<br /><br />You're still an idiot. I wrote that 95% of the human genome 'appears' to be without function, because that's precisely the case. We can't exclude the possibility that 1 or 2% or even more mightn't be shown to have a function. So 'appears' is the right word.<br /><br />Comparing the human genome to Windows 7 is just silly. We know that Windows 7 was (badly) designed by humans. We can even find out their names and addresses if we want to.<br /><br />Personally, I use Apple. I don't know how much of the OS is functional. A lot of it is superfluous. I don't bother using GarageBand, iMovie, Photobooth, and a lot of the other Apps it comes with.<br /><br />I could have said that you appear to be an idiot, but your comments over time have removed all doubt. You haven't revealed the slightest trace of sense.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-9312946226669192552011-12-04T19:37:45.837-05:002011-12-04T19:37:45.837-05:00@mregnor:
As a theist, why do you care about suff...@mregnor:<br /><br />As a theist, why do you care about suffering of others? You do not believe in objective morality, so there is no true good or evil, just your god's opinions. When others suffer, your soul gets a better shot at getting into heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-56005289074091543782011-12-04T19:11:18.977-05:002011-12-04T19:11:18.977-05:00Egnor: "As an atheist, why do you care about ...Egnor: "As an atheist, why do you care about suffering of others? You do not believe in objective morality, so there is no true good or evil, just our opinions. When others suffer, your genes get a better shot at replicating."<br /><br />You don't need to believe in the existence of some objective categories of good and evil in order to feel sympathy and compassion for those who suffer. Asking for objective justification of compassion suggests that human emotions are foreign to you.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-6154624534025557402011-12-04T18:54:54.751-05:002011-12-04T18:54:54.751-05:00@bach:
[If suffering is part of God's plan, ...@bach:<br /><br /><br />[If suffering is part of God's plan, then why do you spend so much effort in alleviating it?...]<br /><br />As an atheist, why do you care about suffering of others? You do not believe in objective morality, so there is no true good or evil, just our opinions. When others suffer, your genes get a better shot at replicating.<br /><br />Why don't you take your atheism seriously?<br /><br />Regarding my pastor friend, I can't be too specific about the illness (for his privacy), but he was (and is) in danger.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-26244038747632627962011-12-04T18:13:09.759-05:002011-12-04T18:13:09.759-05:00Pepe is suffering from extreme stupidity. But that...Pepe is suffering from extreme stupidity. But that's OK, because it will bring him closer to Jeebus who understands suffering.<br /><br />Marx was right about religion being opium.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-82845472942458744212011-12-04T18:01:13.218-05:002011-12-04T18:01:13.218-05:00Pepe,
You're still an idiot.
What makes you ...Pepe,<br /><br />You're still an idiot.<br /><br />What makes you think that evolutionary biology predicted 'junk' DNA. You've got to stop imbibing the cool aid of ID 'science'.<br /><br />Before the genomes of different species were determined, it was assumed that they were efficient with little waste. Rather similar to that of bacteria in fact, which consists almost entirely of genes, with little waste.<br /><br />It was a considerable surprise that the size of the genome in different complex species varies so greatly, and how little of it codes for product. In humans 1.5% codes for protein or various non-mRNA, 3.5% is strongly conserved and therefore apparently performs some function, and 95% appears to be without function.<br /><br />It is wishful thinking to imagine that ID predicts that all of 'junk' DNA has a function, and just because some tiny part of it is later shown to have some function, that it verifies ID.<br /><br />ID is the perfect prediction free structure. In 'Signature of the Cell', in appendix A, Stephen Meyer lists 12 'predictions' ID makes. One is that design is perfect. If it isn't, then it's due to the 'Fall'. Heads you win, tails I lose. Meaningless.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-35878843301855082982011-12-04T17:49:56.535-05:002011-12-04T17:49:56.535-05:00Darwinism will be dead and buried by 2020.
Hilari...<i>Darwinism will be dead and buried by 2020.</i><br /><br />Hilarious. Here's a more realistic prediction: in 2020, Pépé will by saying "Darwinism will be dead and buried by 2030."Osti de tabarnaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50712934916190507512011-12-04T17:46:10.797-05:002011-12-04T17:46:10.797-05:00Pépé,
What will evolutionary biology look like i...Pépé, <br /><br />What will evolutionary biology look like in 2020? I am curious. Describe it to the best of your ability. Mention any pertinent details such as "Behe receives a Nobel Prize in physiology and medicine" or "Dembski gets a Fields medal for his explanatory filter."oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.com