tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post9010047893446867290..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: Fighting back against atheist thugsmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-69225788626029018342013-09-13T19:01:18.035-04:002013-09-13T19:01:18.035-04:00Crusader Rex,
Yeah, you're right, there's...Crusader Rex,<br /><br />Yeah, you're right, there's no comparison between the complexity of a digital camera and an eye. Digital cameras can be constructed that detect and record every single photon of light. Can see far beyond the visible spectrum (in both directions). Record the images with high fidelity and make the images available for reexamination decades later.<br /><br />Eyes, on the other hand, produce substandard images, and the brain has to 'guess' to fill in the details, which often turn out to be wrong.<br /><br />And eyes vary vastly in complexity, ranging from simple eyespots which are able to detect just the presence of light to avian eyes such as in the falcon which are much more sensitive than humans'.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-31974024590514053652013-09-13T10:37:01.639-04:002013-09-13T10:37:01.639-04:00“If software is not present, "What is it that...“If software is not present, "What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that YOU see on YOUR display?"<br /><br />Provided a schematic diagram and the component data sheets the answer to that question becomes trivial for an analog system.<br /><br />-KW<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-44373022340949924912013-09-13T08:20:09.555-04:002013-09-13T08:20:09.555-04:00The difference between an eye and digital camera, ...The difference between an eye and digital camera, if we are contrasting the complexity of each system, could be compared to the difference between a cigarette lighter and a stellar nursery. <br />There is no comparison. <br />Crusader Rex - on the road.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-34460408077448734112013-09-12T21:36:33.907-04:002013-09-12T21:36:33.907-04:00Georgie,
Who's the farking idiot? The retina...Georgie,<br /><br />Who's the farking idiot? The retina throws away information. If that's not compression...<br /><br />A photoreceptor at the edge of the retina detects an object at the periphery of the visual field, but almost all of the information is thrown away, unless it's changing by moving. Static objects don't register.<br /><br />The brain then puts in details based on memory and expectation. <br /><br />The analogy with a digital camera is just an analogy. The pixels in a digital camera are real and physical. The visual field of an animal is virtual, not real. It's an illusion.<br /><br />You remain typically clueless about how the brain works.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-29880505802840854962013-09-12T20:09:28.734-04:002013-09-12T20:09:28.734-04:00My lovely old fart,
Enigma was a digital, not an...My lovely old fart, <br /><br />Enigma was a digital, not analog, machine. It still didn't need no stinkin' software. <br /><br />XOXOXO!<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-74808718778004840892013-09-12T19:57:39.076-04:002013-09-12T19:57:39.076-04:00Hoots, don't even remember your own comments?
...Hoots, don't even remember your own comments?<br /><br />"An ANALOG videocamera has no software."<br /><br />"There goes your essential difference between a DIGITAL camera and an eye."<br /><br />There is an essential difference between an analog videocamera and a digital camera. To wit: one is analog, the other is digital.<br /><br />Now that wasn't so hard, was it?<br /><br />Obviously, you can't answer this:<br /><br />If software is not present, "What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that YOU see on YOUR display?"<br /><br />I understand that why you can't. Because you are wrong. <br /><br />Hoots: "Dumb old fuck."<br /><br />You know, a guy once said, if <br /><br />"You can't address the argument... you attack the person."<br />--- A Hoots Toot(7/21/13) <br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-66915030860615355762013-09-12T19:45:16.298-04:002013-09-12T19:45:16.298-04:00batfark, you aren't - if you'll excuse the...batfark, you aren't - if you'll excuse the humor - paying attention. Yes, yes, yes. The anatomy of the eye is fairly well documented.<br /><br />Many things are going on there, including edge enhancement (which, by the way, is not compression). You should learn something about modulation transfer functions and dynamic range. I can't help you with that in a comment thread.<br /><br />You know, it wouldn't hurt you to read something technical for a change instead of these pop science books. Compression is a technical term, batfark, and you're using it incorrectly. I'm not the one who looks stupid to people who know something about compression so it's no skin off my ass. Your views won't affect my consulting fees one red cent, and I'm tired of arguing about it with a voluntary ignoramus. Look it up. Maybe you can impress some kids in high school science class.<br /><br />batfark: "It's possible that the 'gorilla' might have reached working memory, but not eventually transferred to long term memory. And then when the experimenters asked the students whether they saw anything unusual after the experiment, the 'gorilla' wasn't in long term memory."<br /><br />In one sense I suppose anything is possible, but not all possible things are equally probable. <br /><br />At any rate, you just made that up. It's not a bad try, but as you are wont to say, "where's your evidence"? It certainly wasn't in the focused attention experiments.<br /><br />Stop being perseverant. You know what that means clinically, batfark.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-39657086563567434402013-09-12T19:24:59.697-04:002013-09-12T19:24:59.697-04:00Hoots, you keep building these amusing little rabb...Hoots, you keep building these amusing little rabbit trails. I' not asking about Enigma machines, difference engines, analog videocameras, abaci, or MONIAC machines.<br /><br />Here's my question: ""What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR DISPLAY?"Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-78351409633832142312013-09-12T18:46:53.664-04:002013-09-12T18:46:53.664-04:00Georgie,
What's this obsession with 'pixe...Georgie,<br /><br />What's this obsession with 'pixels'? The human retina each has 126 million pixels, 126 million photoreceptors, distributed over the retina, so each point in the visual field emits photons which stimulate a particular photoreceptor in the retina.<br /><br />So a point in the periphery of the visual field corresponds to a photoreceptor in the periphery of the retina.<br /><br />The 126 million photoreceptors consist of 6 million cones and 120 million rods. The cones are concentrated in the centre of the retina and are responsible for fine and colour vision and wire extensively to the brain.<br /><br />The rods are evenly distributed and are sensitive to light but not colour, and aren't wired extensively in the brain. They mainly detect movement at the edge of the peripheral field.<br /><br />Most of the information from the retina gets thrown away. There are less than 1 million axons in the optic nerve. 126 million doesn't go into 1 million.<br /><br />The visual cortex then adds information to the poor image it has received from the eyes, basically just the central field and a vague impression of movement in the peripheral field, based on memory and expectation.<br /><br />The very rich visual perception of the external world is just an illusion, a very good illusion, but still an illusion, but it can be fooled. As shown by the 50% of students who don't perceive an actor dressed in a gorilla suit, even if the student directly looks at the 'gorilla' and must have stimulated the central retina.<br /><br />It's possible that the 'gorilla' might have reached working memory, but not eventually transferred to long term memory. And then when the experimenters asked the students whether they saw anything unusual after the experiment, the 'gorilla' wasn't in long term memory.<br /><br />The book 'Permanent Present Tense' has a fascinating account of memory based on a decades long study of a man who unfortunately had a bilateral resection of the hippocampus for intractable epilepsy.<br /><br />If you wait long enough you might be able to see the motion picture version since the film rights have been sold. I know you're incapable of reading, preferring YouTube videos for your information.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-58526210787145328442013-09-12T18:41:21.989-04:002013-09-12T18:41:21.989-04:00That's a dumb question, admiral. An analog vid...That's a dumb question, admiral. An analog videocamera has no software. Yet it is perfectly able to produce "a specific arrangements of pixels" on a video screen. The signal can be compressed by Fourier filtering. <br /><br />You scored another own goal, grandpa. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-32364172789001718772013-09-12T18:02:04.255-04:002013-09-12T18:02:04.255-04:00If software is not present, "What is it that ...If software is not present, "What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that you see on your display?"Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-86285115518312895822013-09-12T17:57:24.508-04:002013-09-12T17:57:24.508-04:00Enough bullshit questions, admiral. Skip to the ch...Enough bullshit questions, admiral. Skip to the chase already.<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-78329080032559848032013-09-12T16:44:12.389-04:002013-09-12T16:44:12.389-04:00"What is it that is causing the specific arra..."What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that you see on your display?"Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-68810287275798022202013-09-12T12:40:06.277-04:002013-09-12T12:40:06.277-04:00Not the software, if that's what you mean.
H...Not the software, if that's what you mean. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1960775302431317352013-09-12T12:23:04.537-04:002013-09-12T12:23:04.537-04:00Hoots toots: "Software isn't necessary fo...Hoots toots: "Software isn't necessary for encoding." <br /><br />Well, you actually mean "encrypting". Which one can do by assigning numbers to letters. Or using pig latin.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I never said software was necessary. In fact, Babbage's Difference Engine was purely mechanical. Strawman.<br /><br />If "'Software' is not really present"<br /><br />"What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that you see on your display?"<br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-28796177973078312892013-09-12T11:56:18.684-04:002013-09-12T11:56:18.684-04:00Software isn't necessary for encoding.
HooSoftware <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine" rel="nofollow">isn't necessary</a> for encoding. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-30163839764212239742013-09-12T11:49:58.073-04:002013-09-12T11:49:58.073-04:00By the way, just to make sure we're not workin...By the way, just to make sure we're not working out of the Dumpty Dictionary:<br /><br /><i>In computer science and information theory, data compression... involves encoding information using fewer bits than the original representation.</i>Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-71667065815167338352013-09-12T11:43:43.456-04:002013-09-12T11:43:43.456-04:00What is it that is causing the specific arrangemen...What is it that is causing the specific arrangements of pixels that you see on your display? Leprechauns?Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-40354893602806114572013-09-12T11:24:00.789-04:002013-09-12T11:24:00.789-04:00The point is that both a camera and an eye produce...The point is that both a camera and an eye produce compressed images. "Software" is not really present in a camera or an eye. It is a term that describes the work of a programmer. <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-18495981638041986382013-09-12T09:51:29.044-04:002013-09-12T09:51:29.044-04:00Oh, I failed. And I'm still curious. What was ...Oh, I failed. And I'm still curious. What was the point?Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-31542007263882767382013-09-12T09:46:26.101-04:002013-09-12T09:46:26.101-04:00Face it, admiral, you're clueless, not curious...Face it, admiral, you're clueless, not curious. Of course there was a point! Try to grasp it! You can do it! And if you try and fail, feel free to ask me again. Don't hesitate! :)<br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1460739207350384962013-09-12T09:42:24.335-04:002013-09-12T09:42:24.335-04:00I'm curious, Hoots... was there a point?I'm curious, Hoots... was there a point?<br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49421827974856628072013-09-12T09:38:55.528-04:002013-09-12T09:38:55.528-04:00Admiral: "Oh, and digital cameras compress im...Admiral: "Oh, and digital cameras compress images, do they? No, blinkfast, the software converting the raw image data to a file format (e.g., .jpeg) is where the compression occurs, if it occurs."<br /><br />Right, software is the camera's soul. Which, as anybody knows, is totally separate from the physical body! Yay for dualism! <br /><br />HooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-73167504445083207552013-09-12T09:27:54.437-04:002013-09-12T09:27:54.437-04:00No, blinkfast, the invisible gorilla is not a case...No, blinkfast, the invisible gorilla is not a case of "the brain doesn't see what it doesn't expect to see". It's a case of focused, directed attention. If your book said what you say it said, the book is wrong. I suspect the error is on your part.<br /><br />Oh, and digital cameras compress images, do they? No, blinkfast, the software converting the raw image data to a <b>file format</b> (e.g., .jpeg) is where the compression occurs, if it occurs.<br /><br /><i> An image file format may store data in uncompressed, compressed, or vector formats...<br /><br />Lossless compression algorithms reduce file size while preserving a perfect copy of the original uncompressed image. Lossless compression generally, but not exclusively, results in larger files than lossy compression. Lossless compression should be used to avoid accumulating stages of re-compression when editing images.<br /><br />Lossy compression algorithms preserve a representation of the original uncompressed image that may appear to be a perfect copy, but it is not a perfect copy. Often lossy compression is able to achieve smaller file sizes than lossless compression. Most lossy compression algorithms allow for variable compression that trades image quality for file size.<br /></i><br />--- Wiki: Image File Formats<br /><br />You're welcome.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-27439622262475959802013-09-12T09:19:14.921-04:002013-09-12T09:19:14.921-04:00Hoots toots: "[There's plenty of idiocy t...Hoots toots: "[There's plenty of idiocy to go around is] the equivalent of "Look, a squirrel!"<br /><br />So sez Humpty Dumpty.Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.com