tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post9150112770412054075..comments2024-03-16T05:00:38.826-04:00Comments on Egnorance: A Womb with Three Viewsmregnorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-7909186179789284562013-04-15T17:22:40.941-04:002013-04-15T17:22:40.941-04:00Idiot,
No, I was quoting the 1st and best edition...Idiot,<br /><br />No, I was quoting the 1st and best edition of 'Origins'. The 2nd edition wasn't as good.<br /><br />Anyway, I don't particularly like poetry. I prefer a nicely turned piece of prose.<br /><br />I quoted 'Origins' to pull on your chain, and I succeededbachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-52120655878870457252013-04-15T14:17:48.430-04:002013-04-15T14:17:48.430-04:00that little screed could serve as a prototype for ...<i>that little screed could serve as a prototype for the Lament of the Meat Machine...</i><br /><br />I've read that story. I don't think you actually understand it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-53453717640749609452013-04-15T11:54:42.399-04:002013-04-15T11:54:42.399-04:00If dentists where under the same kind of public pr...If dentists where under the same kind of public pressure and terrorist threat that abortion doctors are, we would be reading rouge dentist horror stories. If you make abortion illegal, you won’t stop abortion, you’ll just make them all much more like this. <br /><br />-KWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-1015749265990479452013-04-15T09:04:24.892-04:002013-04-15T09:04:24.892-04:00backfire, your copy/paste sucks! Here is the corre...backfire, your copy/paste sucks! Here is the correct sentence:<br /><br /><i>Having been originally breathed <b>by the Creator</b> into a few forms or into one;</i><br /><br />Besides, you sure do have a problem if you confuse just-so story telling with poetry!<br /><br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-50493073153852574322013-04-14T22:00:38.096-04:002013-04-14T22:00:38.096-04:00Michael,
Once you've read the first one, you&...Michael,<br /><br />Once you've read the first one, you're 'obliged' to read the further 4.<br /><br />It started as a Douglas Adams' type trilogy, then the 3rd and last was realised to be too long, so it was split into 2. Then the 5th came along to fill in the gaps in the previous 4 (but appears to start as a continuation of the 4th).<br /><br />It's basically a continuous story with no conclusion so far. Hopefully the 'Gods of Riverworld' will have a satisfying ending.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-60726088742813490242013-04-14T21:16:03.531-04:002013-04-14T21:16:03.531-04:00bach:
Just bought the book on kindle, at your rec...bach:<br /><br />Just bought the book on kindle, at your recommendation. Looks good. I've been thinking about the afterlife a lot this Easter. Very topical. <br /><br />Thanks.mregnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431770851694587832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-3742811876397806712013-04-14T19:32:25.326-04:002013-04-14T19:32:25.326-04:00Pépé,
OK if I just call you 'idiot' in fu...Pépé,<br /><br />OK if I just call you 'idiot' in future? That suits you better than Pépé?bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-77039073622876463502013-04-14T19:29:02.916-04:002013-04-14T19:29:02.916-04:00Pépé,
For poetry nothing can match:
It is intere...Pépé,<br /><br />For poetry nothing can match:<br /><br />It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank,<br />Clothed with many plants of many kinds,<br />With birds singing on the bushes,<br />With various insects flitting about,<br />And with worms crawling through the damp earth,<br />And to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms,<br />So different from each other,<br />And dependent on each other in so complex a manner,<br />Have all been produced by laws acting around us.<br /><br />Or:<br /><br />There is grandeur in this view of life,<br />With its several powers,<br />Having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one;<br />And that, whilst this planet goes cycling on<br />According to the fixed law of gravity,<br />From so simple a beginning endless forms<br />Most beautiful and most wonderful<br />Have been, and are being, evolved.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-49924783225072637492013-04-14T19:15:56.550-04:002013-04-14T19:15:56.550-04:00It's 'bachfiend', not 'bachfire...<i>It's 'bachfiend', not 'bachfire'.</i><br /><br />Sorry, I meant backfire. That moniker suits you a lot better...<br /><br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-11623433030872055082013-04-14T19:07:45.623-04:002013-04-14T19:07:45.623-04:00That poetry stuff is a crock.
"I know a bank...<i>That poetry stuff is a crock.</i><br /><br />"I know a bank where the wild thyme blows,<br />Where oxlips and the nodding violet grows,<br />Quite over-canopied with luscious woodbine,<br />With sweet musk-roses and with eglantine."<br /><br />A Midsummer Night’s Dream<br />(William Shakespeare)<br /><br /><b>QID!</b><br /><br /><br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-70563468498885113492013-04-14T19:00:31.574-04:002013-04-14T19:00:31.574-04:00Pépé,
Idiot. I've told that the inability to...Pépé,<br /><br />Idiot. I've told that the inability to get a moniker right is a sign of mental deficiency. It's 'bachfiend', not 'bachfire'.<br /><br />Fictional stories are very useful in illustrating truths that true stories aren't able to do, because reality is unfortunately messy. But stories should be 'believable'. My rule of thumb is that a story is allowed one unbelievable element, but that after that, the story has to be consistent.<br /><br />My favourite story is Franz Kafka's 'die Verwandlung', which, once you get past the first page in which Gregor Samsa finds himself to have been changed into a giant cockroach overnight. After that, everything is consequent. It also has the most beautiful death I know of in fiction, rivalling that of Tolstoy's Anna Karenina.<br /><br />This fable; too many impossibilities. Starting with Plato, Thomas of Aquinas and Satre sharing a uterus. And from then on, the bullshit gets piled on thickly in layers.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51324533282647371812013-04-14T18:42:21.929-04:002013-04-14T18:42:21.929-04:00The only thing that Egnor contributes to this thre...The only thing that Egnor contributes to this thread is the headline 'A beautiful parable'.<br /><br />A parable is something that actually could have happened in reality. It's a plausible story. Such as the parable of the Good Samaritan. Completely believable as happening.<br /><br />In fact researchers managed to replicate it with theology students who were contrived to be in a hurry to give a talk on the Good Samaritan in another building to see whether they'd ignore someone in apparent distress on the way (they did). Not quite the same point as made in the Jesus story.<br /><br />This story isn't a parable. It couldn't happen. It's an allegory or a fable.<br /><br />Georgie, <br /><br />Since you seem fascinated by science fiction, have you read Philip Jose Farmer's series of 'Riverworld' novels? The first is 'to Your Scattered Bodies Go', in which almost all humans who have ever lived find themselves resurrected on an alien planet.<br /><br />'Souls' play an important part of the novels. All are available as eBooks (probably that's the only way they're available). I plan to read the fifth and last 'the Gods of Riverworld' next week...bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-46570852785915265722013-04-14T11:48:34.737-04:002013-04-14T11:48:34.737-04:00I have read a bit of Sartre over the years. Fictio...I have read a bit of Sartre over the years. Fictions about drug addicted artists and whores in Paris and things like that. It had a style about it, and it had fascinated my late dad in his younger years . So, out of a kind of duty to the old man I investigated. Not poorly written, but a very seedy subject matter.<br />A creative (in a reductive way) chap. <br />But a comparison with Aquinas and Plato? <br />My goodness. None to be made. <br />And that is no attack on Sartre. The moderns in general, perhaps. <br />One would be hard pressed to find anything post Renaissance that would remotely touch the Classical and Medieval masters. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739783974158130525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-58420641163740379632013-04-14T09:37:46.390-04:002013-04-14T09:37:46.390-04:00Pépé,
For the moon never beams without bringing m...Pépé,<br /><br /><i>For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams<br />Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;<br />And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes<br />Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;<br />And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side<br />Of my darling- my darling- my life and my bride...</i><br /><br />Everybody knows the moon doesn't bring dreams. It's just a bunch of bullshit. And people don't "feel" bright eyes. There is no mechanical deformation or temperature change of the skin whatsoever. And eyes aren't "bright" anyway. No emission of photons whatsoever. Just reflection. Get serious.<br /><br />That poetry stuff is a crock.<br /><br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-82825614492882679012013-04-14T09:02:39.803-04:002013-04-14T09:02:39.803-04:00bachfire may be many things but he sure is no poet...bachfire may be many things but he sure is no poet! <br /><br />It is frightening what materialistic reductionism will do to a man!<br /><br /><br /><br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-51255337491664140732013-04-14T08:50:12.561-04:002013-04-14T08:50:12.561-04:00bach, that little screed could serve as a prototyp...bach, that little screed could serve as a prototype for the Lament of the Meat Machine...<br /><br /><i>[Imagine if you will... the leader of the fifth invader force speaking to the commander in chief...]<br /><br />"I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."<br /><br />"No brain?"<br /><br />"Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!"<br /><br />"So... what does the thinking?"<br /><br />"You're not understanding, are you? The brain does the thinking. The meat."<br /><br />"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"</i><br />-- excerpted from a short sci-fi story by Terry Bisson<br /><br />No, bach, there was no alien invasion force either. Nor was there a Hamlet, Captain Ahab, Uncle Tom, Anna Karenina, or David Copperfield. No lesson to be learned from those non-entities! It's all fictional hogswallop.<br /><br />I daresay Australopithecus would be proud of you for maintaining the preliterate Pavlovian perspective.<br /><br />Oh, and those cave paintings at Lasceaux? Picasso's "Guernica"? Made-up. Fictional. Those events didn't really happen.<br />Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan Navynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3555199390227912207.post-77102523237124095662013-04-14T06:39:31.994-04:002013-04-14T06:39:31.994-04:00It did not happen. It could not happen. As a res...It did not happen. It could not happen. As a result of the human bipedal gait, the human female pelvic outlet is narrow. Owing to the relatively large human brain, human babies are born comparatively immature, and a lot of brain growth occurs after birth, otherwise the size of the foetal head would preclude natural birth.<br /><br />Foetuses just don't have the brain development to engage in intrauterine dialogue.<br /><br />And John the future baptist leaping with joy in the uterus of Elizabeth at the recognition of Jesus within Mary isn't historical. It's blatant fiction. Luke, assuming that he's the gentile traveling companion of Paul, wouldn't, couldn't have the slightest idea of Mary's pregnancy.<br /><br />What a silly thread.bachfiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752055891882312204noreply@blogger.com