Opinions and musings on religion, philosophy, science, politics, and life from a conservative Catholic neurosurgeon.
Initial reports are that he's a veteran named Wade Michael Page with tattoos that suggest a white supremacist background. I'll be saying prayers for the victims and their families tonight.TRISH
TRISH,Some really stupid people confuse Sikhs for Muslims. They're not, of course. But it happens. Immediately after 9/11, someone killed Sikh in Arizona. White supremacists aren't usually known as the sharpest knives in the drawer, so that might explain a lot. Or maybe he just hated Sikhs too.JQ
My hopes and prayers for the victims and their families. No one should forget while we all ponder the reasons and motivations of the killer - there are real people who have really been hurt and killed. For these true victims of this horrible crime, our deepest sympathies. This incident is disturbing on many levels.I have read about it from several sources now and the more I read the more instant superficial clarity is spun, and the murkier the killer's background becomes. Two things jump out of the text at me, for a number of reasons. This on FOXNEWS: "According to sources in the U.S. Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit." [my emph]Of course the whole 'beware the vets' theme that is so popular in media is there, and that is what is being stressed. But as you can see where I have added bold the text is where the real red meat is...or should I say Soylent Green, or maybe Kool Aid? Certainly a rabbit hole - and one I am glad I have not duty attached to! With the killer himself shot dead, there will be no definite answers....but ALWAYS questions. The conspiracy nuts will have a field day with this one - and so they should!The second thing to 'jump out' was actually slipped in BEFORE the psyops BOMBSHELL, and was this: "[..]and what [the attack/mass murder] the FBI is treating as an act of domestic terrorism in the temple, in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek." Domestic terrorism? A horrific mass murder in a Temple (apparently by a lone bigot) is to be equated with an attack on the national infrastructure by a subversive (ie revolutionary) or covertly hostile (ie foreign operated cells) group? Are we to believe the foul, murderous acts of one man - now shot dead - with no connections is 'domestic terror'? Or is the inference that he was/is not alone? That he does have connections? If so, to WHO or WHAT? .......The psyops connection? Sheer coincidence, I am sure.
If only the Sikhs where packing guns this wouldn’t have been nearly as bad. Everybody needs to be heavily armed and be mentally prepared to be in a fire-fight at all times. Go NRA!-KW
You're right KW. This murderer wouldn't have gotten seven shots off if they people in the temple had been carrying guns.I understand you're trying to be a smartass, and you don't really mean what you're saying. But for once, you're right. Inadvertently.Where most people see a tradgedy, KW sees an opportunity to score political points.The Torch
It’s a shame that, according to what most Christians believe, having heard the word of God and rejected it, these poor Sikhs will burn in hell forever. It seems to me that that’s a far bigger crime than their murder.-KW
We do not know the eternal fate of Sikhs or of anyone, except for saints. We are all in need of His mercy, and I and most other Christians pray for all of us, of all faiths.
You can always depend on KW to be a real shitheel in a tradgedy.The Torch
We do not know the eternal fate of Sikhs or of anyone, except for saints.You don't know the eternal fate of saints either.
Whenever a racist skinhead murders a bunch of brown people or liberals, the right says “woops, lets say a little prayer for the victims”, and never addresses the underlying problems of racism, nationalism, and conspiracy theories, that fuel this kind of unreasoned raw hatred. If a Muslim or black person did this the right would be screaming “jihad” or “race war” and proclaim an existential treat exists that requires immediate action. Egnore pedals a slightly more high-brow version of the kind of hatred that motivates these right-wing radical terrorists. Make now mistake about it, this murderer is no fan of Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi, he’s a natural political ally of Egnor and conservatives like Egnor. The murderer’s unreasoned hatred, whether he knows it or not, is the direct result of people like Egnor providing an intellectual argument for the “rightness” of his actions.You give murderers cover with your little “let’s say a prayer” when you leave it at that.-KW
[Make now mistake about it, this murderer is no fan of Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi, he’s a natural political ally of Egnor and conservatives like Egnor.]You're a scumbag, KW. You use this horror to hack your politics. Violent nuts don't represent any ideology. They kill for all sorts of reasons. This nut doesn't discredit conservatives anymore than the Unabomber discredited environmentalists the Red Brigades discredits liberals. And I doubt he likes Romney or Sarah Palin much either. I should point out that "Nazi" is a socialist claque. One of your?
KW,"Whenever a racist skinhead murders a bunch of brown people or liberals, the right says “woops, lets say a little prayer for the victims”,No, KW - that's the voice in your head again...or you may be hearing pastors and local citizens offering prayer? I love this disconnect:"[...]and never addresses the underlying problems of racism, nationalism, and[..]".... WAIT FOR IT for it , now.... "[...] conspiracy theories that fuel this kind of unreasoned raw hatred."LMAO! You could not make this stuff up. First you LIST your own 'vast' conspiracy theories and then blame 'conspiracy theories' in the NEXT verse. Classic hypocrisy. How professionally and profoundly stupid! KW continues:"If a Muslim or black person did this the right would be screaming “jihad” or “race war” and proclaim an existential treat exists that requires immediate action."Don't you have that backwards, KW? The only people I hear yelling Jihad are the Jihadists. The only people I hear howling 'racism' are the RACISTS. You know? The ones who like the whole ghetto slave model for civilization? The pro eugenics guys? The folks with the hate on for families in general and babies in specific? You know the type. "he’s a natural political ally of Egnor and conservatives like Egnor. "I call partisan BULLSHIT. "The murderer’s unreasoned hatred, whether he knows it or not, is the direct result of people like Egnor providing an intellectual argument for the “rightness” of his actions."Dr Egnor has argued for mass murder of Sikhs at worship? Of ANYONE? What TOTAL libellous bullshit, KW. I can only suspect this latest rant is a result of drug abuse or some form of a head injury.