Friday, October 2, 2015

Oregon killer singled out Christians

From the Washington Post.
Witnesses... said he seemed to seek specific revenge against Christians, and police examined Web posts that hinted of wider antipathy toward organized faith... 
In one classroom, he appeared to single out Christian students for killing, according to witness Anastasia Boylan. 
“He said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you’re going to see God in just about one second,'” Boylan’s father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying his daughter’s account while she underwent surgery to treat a gunshot to her spine.
“And then he shot and killed them.” 
Another account came from Autumn Vicari, who described to NBC News what her brother J.J. witnessed in the room where the shootings occurred. According to NBC: “Vicari said at one point the shooter told people to stand up before asking whether they were Christian or not. Vicari’s brother told her that anyone who responded ‘yes’ was shot in the head. If they said ‘other’ or didn’t answer, they were shot elsewhere in the body, usually the leg.”
Cardinal George of Chicago famously said 'I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison, and his successor will die a martyr in the streets.' We already have a Christian sent to jail for her beliefs--more will follow. And we now have Christian martyrs in America. There will be many more. 

Do you think I exaggerate? The 20th century gave us more Christian martyrs than all of the martyrs of the past 2000 years combined. The Soviets, the Nazis, the Spanish communists, the Mexican government in the Christeros War deliberately slaughtered Christians by the millions. 

Christians are undergoing a holocaust today in the Middle East, while the world, including our own government, is silent. 

May God bless our brothers and sisters who are perishing for their faith in Christ our Lord. They are with Him now, in paradise. May we live with even a tiny fraction of their courage and faith. 

29 comments:

  1. God bless them for their faith and courage.
    Thanks for this, Dr Egnor.

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  2. "Oregon killer singled out Christians"

    Well, you know, he was just one more immigrant ... "doing the jobs Americans won't do"

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  3. Of course he singled out Christians. Christians are America's leading scapegoats, one of the last socially acceptable groups to despise and discriminate against.

    JQ

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  4. "Christians are America's leading scapegoats, one of the last socially acceptable groups to despise and discriminate against."

    It must be sad to have a persecution complex. There is no trend towards despising and discriminating against Christians. The only thing that we are seeing is the criticism of Christians falsely using religious freedom to justify trying to impose their belief on others.

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    1. >>The only thing that we are seeing is the criticism of Christians falsely using religious freedom to justify trying to impose their belief on others.<<

      And/or killing them, as happened in Oregon two weeks ago. I guess you missed that. It's not a "persecution complex" when it's real.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/14/anti-gay-hate-crime-at-university-of-north-dakota-/

      Other mass spree shooters or attempted spree shooters who hated Christians include: Floyd Lee Corkins, James Von Brunn, Cho Seng-hui, and Eric Harris. I'd bet Vester Flannigan had some choice words about Christians too, but the media won't allow us to see his manifesto. Wonder why?

      If you want a real persecution complex, try gays. Oh look--another phony "hate crime" perpetrated by the "victim" against himself.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/14/anti-gay-hate-crime-at-university-of-north-dakota-/

      I'll bet you impose your beliefs on others.

      JQ

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  5. ^ These lying fools (that's a redundancy, by the way) will be accusing-and-mocking us of having a "persecution complex" even as they help the Moslems kill us.

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    1. Really? How am I helping Muslims kill Christians?

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    2. You give them cover for their (and your bigotry). You've already brushed aside Chris Harper Mercer's dead Christian victims, no big thing. It's really no different than the killing of Christians in the Middle East.

      Next time, do me a favor and get upset about it. Don't stick your head in the sand.

      JQ

      JQ

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    3. I am as upset about this as I am about the 1000 other mass killings in the US in the last three years. You point at one where the nut job asked the people about their religion and claim that it is a pandemic of anti Christian persecution in North America.

      I am an atheist. If I tried to run for office in the US, making this known, I would have as much chance of being elected as the average Muslim, Jew or Hindu. Effectively zero. So, please, tell me again how you are being persecuted.

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    4. There is a pandemic of anti-Christian persecution in North America, mostly perpetuated by militant atheists such as Werner von Braun and Eric Harris. The way you deny it certainly makes it seem as if you condone it.

      You obviously subscribe to what I call the myth of the domineering Christian majority. It's the foundation of all bigoted anti-Christian beliefs.

      Of course, it isn't just violence against Christians, but the constant demand that we pretend we're not Christian in public because we're offending people. It's the demand that we stop voting our consciences as the polls, while everyone else does exactly that. It's the fear of speaking about religion lest someone here. For all practical purposes, we're supposed to hide our faith except for Sunday morning.

      You obviously don't know much about American politics. Yes, atheists have a tough row to hoe getting elected. All you would have to do is lie about it and you could still get elected. Just ask our atheist president.

      But the Muslim and Hindu population in this country is very low so there's no surprise there aren't a lot of them in elected office, though there are some. Jews, however, are actually overrepresented in the US Congress. Bernie Sanders is Jewish and he's a serious contender for the Democratic nomination. Last week, a congressional staffer beat his homosexual lover to death with a shovel and screamed >>die dirty faggy<< He worked for Rep. Levin of Michigan, who is Jewish.

      So you really don't know much about my country.

      You're also a Canadian. Care to talk about the blatant repression of free speech and free exercise rights in your country? Ontario won't even allow Catholic schools to teach against abortion because that >>bullying.<<

      You're beyond clueless.

      JQ

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    5. Spearshake, I'm sure that after the Charleston massacre you made sure to visit black websites and tell them to get over their persecution complex.

      Nine people are dead. You sound like a real callous asshole.

      JQ

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    7. "You're also a Canadian. Care to talk about the blatant repression of free speech and free exercise rights in your country? Ontario won't even allow Catholic schools to teach against abortion because that >>bullying.<<"

      That's a nice story. Too bad it's not true.

      Please give me a real example of Christians in north America being persecuted.

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    8. How many examples would persuade you? Considering the fact that you won't even acknowledge mass murder of Christians as a legitimate example, it appears that you'll simply dismiss all examples out of hand. For people who think anti-Christian bigotry is justified, there can be no examples of anti-Christian bigotry because then they'd have to admit that their own beliefs are hateful.

      But if you'd kindly name a number, I'll find that many examples for you.

      While I'm waiting for your reply, allow me to introduce you to a study conducted this year that found unabashed vitriol aimed at Christians among a subset of the population, namely young progressives.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/29/they-should-be-eradicated-sociologists-reveal-shocking-results-of-christianophobia-research-and-a-cautionary-warning-for-conservative-bible-believers/

      Oh, and you're quite wrong. Ontario will not permit Catholic schools to teach Catholic doctrine about abortion. I can see denying basic facts if your mode of argument.

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-education-minister-catholic-schools-cant-teach-abortion-is-wrong

      JQ


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    9. "Considering the fact that you won't even acknowledge mass murder of Christians as a legitimate example."

      As terrible as that was, it is hardly a prevalent systemic issue. One mass killing out of 1000 is not exactly statistically significant.

      Nobody is arguing that there are no people who do not like Christianity. But there are just as many examples of vitriolic against atheists and Democrats. You are on a blog owned by just such an example. I was asking for examples of clear discrimination against Christians in North America.

      "Oh, and you're quite wrong. Ontario will not permit Catholic schools to teach Catholic doctrine about abortion."

      I'm sorry, but LifeSiteNews is not exactly a credible source of news. Catholic schools are allowed to teach. They aren't allowed to preach. That is for the churches. They are allowed to teach the church's views on abortion, birth control and sexuality. What they aren't allowed to do is sanction any students for anything that is legal (eg. Abortion, birth control and homosexuality).

      Catholic schools are not private schools. They are fully funded by taxes. As such, they must conform to the curriculum. That is not discrimination.

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    10. Mass shootings carried out by anti-Christian bigots include: Columbine (1999), Virginia Tech (2007), The Holocaust Museum shooting (2009), and the recent Oregon community college shooting. An argument could be made that mass shootings carried out by Jihadists were all also carried out by anti-Christian bigots. There's also the Family Research council incident, which wasn't much of a mass shooting thanks to a security guard who disarmed the militant murderous SPLC-inspired homosexual. Thankfully, he was an incompetent anti-Christian terrorist but a terrorist nonetheless.

      Oh, and by the way, Catholic schools are not allowed to TEACH that abortion is wrong, not sanction bad behavior. It kind of makes you wonder why schools in Canada can punish >>homophobic<< remarks when >>homophobic<< remarks are supposedly legal.

      Are you seriously in denial that free speech and free exercise of religion have been gutted in your own country? I've found that people deny such infringements exist when a) they subscribe to all state-supported ideas and thus feel no danger from the thought police, and b) think religion is stupid and the free exercise of stupidity is not really a right worth protecting.

      Now I noticed that you did not answer my first question, which is how many incidents are enough to convince you of a trend. (Incidents need not, by the way, rise to the level of murder to consititute a toxic and discriminatory environment against Christians, though I could name a few murders if you'd like.) I wonder why. You also did not mention the study I referred you to. Did you see it?

      >>But there are just as many examples of vitriolic against atheists and Democrats.<<

      What, like Paul Mirecki's made up baet down by >>fundies<<?

      Name four spree killings, perpetrated by radical Christians against atheists. Go ahead.

      JQ

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    11. None of the killings you mentioned targeted Christians. Try again.

      Are you suggesting that schools do not have the right to punish children or teachers who make homophobic remarks? Punishing bad behaviour, or violations of teacher codes of conduct, is certainly within the authority of the schools. And that is not a violation of free speech.

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    12. hey yo spearshake...do you have a force field around your brain or something?

      naidoo

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    13. William Spearshake, all you do is gainsay what I say. As argumentation goes, it's pretty week.

      As a matter of fact, two of the four spree killings I mentioned did target Christians, though that's not what I said. I said that they were perpetrated by anti-Christian bigots. But considering the fact that you can't even admit that the Umpqua community college shooting was the targeted killing of Christians, I must conclude that you don't live in reality. Either that, or you're a shameless liar. Now, I asked you to please name four spree killings perpetrated by radical Christians against atheists. I'll bet you can't name one, actually, despite the fact that you claim that there's some equivalent amount of hatred on both sides. Not even close.

      >>Are you suggesting that schools do not have the right to punish children or teachers who make homophobic remarks?<<

      That's exactly what I'm suggesting.

      >>Punishing bad behaviour, or violations of teacher codes of conduct, is certainly within the authority of the schools.<<

      Really? Even when it's otherwise legal? Remember when you said, >>What they aren't allowed to do is sanction any students for anything that is legal (eg. Abortion, birth control and homosexuality).<< So schools can have disciplinary policies that go above and beyond the law, unless they're Catholic schools. Saying something that hurts some homosexual's delicate feelings is a disciplinary offense, but killing a child in the womb is not because killing a child in the womb, all the way up to the moment of birth, is legal in Canada. And if it's legal, the school can't do anything to you. Unless you hurt some homosexual's feelings. Then it doesn't matter if it's legal.

      I don't even know why I'm arguing this false premise with you. You're lying about the law just as you're lying about spree killings.

      >>And that is not a violation of free speech.<< Actually, that's exactly what it is. Whenever the government has declared a certain sentiment verboten to be spoken aloud, that's called censorship and it's a violation of free speech. Thank you for confirming that you conform to all state-sponsored beliefs and thus never worry about pesky things like freedom of speech.

      JQ

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    14. JQ,

      Teachers in K-12 schools don't have the freedom of speech to indoctrinate their students with material that's not in the curriculum. Or would you accept an atheist teacher teaching an atheistic worldview, in the same way that you think that teachers in Catholic schools should have the right to argue against abortions?

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    15. JQ: "Now, I asked you to please name four spree killings perpetrated by radical Christians against atheists. I'll bet you can't name one,"

      Brevik. Or many of the people who actively participated in the holocaust. But I have had this discussion before. Anytime a mention that Christians have committed many atrocities, the response is always that they can't be true Christians because a true Christian wouldn't do that.

      JQ: "Really? Even when it's otherwise legal? Remember when you said, >>What they aren't allowed to do is sanction any students for anything that is legal (eg. Abortion, birth control and homosexuality).<<"

      Maybe I used a poor choice of words, but we are talking about apples and oranges. Whether a person has an abortion, uses birth control or is homosexual are legal acts that take place outside of the school and the school has no right to sanction students for it, except in rate circumstances. In fact, a child who robs a store and receives a suspended sentence can't be sanctioned by a school. But a school certainly has the right to sanction students for behaviour within a school or during a school event. They do it all the time, even in the US. Dress codes, swearing, discriminatory behaviour, sexist behaviour, tardiness, etc.

      For example, do you think that it is right for a catholic school to have the right to expel a student who becomes pregnant? Having sex outside of marriage clearly goes against Christian teaching. Thankfully, in Canada, the schools are not allowed to do this any more. But it used to be standard practice, even in public schools, to remove pregnant girls from school because of the twisted logic that if they allowed her to attend school that it was giving the impression that the school was condoning the behaviour that resulted in the pregnancy.

      ">>And that is not a violation of free speech.<< Actually, that's exactly what it is."

      No it's not. Free speech is not an absolute. In fact, The Canadian constitution has never had a free speech clause. We have a freedom of expression clause. A subtle difference, but a significant one. But we also have a law against hate speech. Saying that homosexuality is wrong, or disordered behaviour, is not hate speech. Saying that homosexuals are evil and pedophiles, is.

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    16. dude, you really, really don't get free speech. i mean, really.

      naidoo

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    17. and anders brevik was not a christian. from his manifesto:

      "A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?

      "If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian."

      naidoo

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    18. Naidoo,

      You've got a restricted definition of Christianity. Brevik is just at the extreme end of the spectrum. At the other end of the spectrum are Christians who believe that they'll be saved, regardless of the sins they commit during their lifetime, just as long as they accept Jesus as saviour.

      He's more similar to the adherents of certain branches of Judaism which don't have an afterlife. Obeying divine commandments is just to avoid suffering in this life.

      There's no absolute free speech (just try to use a plethora of swear words in your next conversation in public). Any anyway - teachers in publicly funded Canadian Catholic schools don't have free speech when they teach Church doctrine as fact in regard to social issues. They're following a curriculum, even if it isn't the approved one for which the schools were publicly funded to teach.

      The schools would very rapidly dismiss a teacher for exercising his right to free speech if he taught as acceptable practices that are contrary to Church doctrine.contrary

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    19. "dude, you really, really don't get free speech. i mean, really."

      You seem to think that free speech means consequence free speech. Good luck with that.

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    20. Mr. Anonymous
      You said:

      "Mass shootings carried out by anti-Christian bigots include: Columbine (1999)"

      That was lie created by the parents of the victim
      https://newrepublic.com/article/122832/why-does-columbine-myth-about-martyr-cassie-bernall-persist

      If you can't fact check that well-known fact then that's why cases like the one above can't be trusted as a case of the boy who cried wolf.

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    21. Mr.Anonymous

      If you looked harder in 2083 you would know that Anders Breivik mentioned that he was praying to God.

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    22. Mr.Anonymous

      If you looked harder in 2083 you would know that Anders Breivik mentioned that he was praying to God.

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