Friday, September 27, 2013

"Secular tyranny"

Newt Gingrich warns of the emerging repression of Christianity:


Gingrich Warns of ‘Secular Tyranny’

By Katrina Trinko

Talking about the changing political landscape, former House speaker Newt Gingrich expressed concern today that religious Americans may soon face a “secular tyranny.”

“The great danger is that you’re going to see a real drive to outlaw and limit Christianity,” Gingrich said at a National Review breakfast briefing. “It’s okay to be Christian as long as you’re not really Christian. It’s a very serious problem.” 
“You can’t actually have an adoption service that’s run by Catholics unless they’re willing to be not Catholic,” Gingrich remarked, alluding to the Catholic organizations that refuse to consider gay couples for adoptive parents and have had to close as a result. 
“That should bother people,” Gingrich continued. “You’re now beginning to see a secular tyranny begin to set in that is very dangerous, and we need to have a national debate about it.”
Talking broadly about history, Gingrich mused, there remains a “long struggle between paganism and Christianity. It’s nothing new. Paul wrote about it all the time.” 
On gay marriage, Gingrich anticipates that the GOP will be “torn” on the issue, although he expects that most will continue to back traditional marriage. 
In contrast, he predicted that Democrats who don’t kowtow to the party line on gay marriage would face a difficult political future in their party. 
“What should the Democrats do about the Democrats who have still refused to cave into the gay-rights lobby?” Gingrich asked. “How likely is it that at the 2016 convention a Democrat will be allowed to make a pro-traditional marriage speech? Zero. Maybe a negative number.” 
“But we worry about how Republicans will be treated,” he said with a hint of exasperation. “We accept that the Democrats will in fact be tyrants about dissidents."

Yep. This is a war dating at least to the 19th century, with the Klux Klux Klan's "separation of church and state" oath, which came to fruition when the KKK got one of their own on the Supreme Court and got the unconstitutional "separation" bigotry enshrined in jurisprudence, to judicial immunity afforded to atheism's creation myth in biology classrooms, to incessant attacks on mangers and crosses and Commandments on public property, to the contraception mandate and the bestowal of a legal imprimatur on "gay marriage".

This has happened elsewhere. In revolutionary France, in Russia, in all communist countries, in Mexico in the 20th century, in Spain in the 1930's, in much of the Middle East today where Christians are being repressed and massacred.

The gay blogger at twogaybullies put it succinctly:

For years, the doctrine [of separation of church and state] has been used as a weapon against people of faith, and that’s great. That’s what it’s supposed to [be] used for...

We need to understand what's happening.

9 comments:

  1. "It’s okay to be Christian as long as you’re not really Christian."

    We're already there. No need to worry about dystopian futures when there are dystopian presents to worry about.

    TRISH

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  2. More news from the dystopian present: Atheism to be taught to Irish schoolchildren.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/26/atheism-to-be-taught-irish-schoolchildren

    TRISH

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  3. Gingrich is complaining about an imagined "tyranny" in the future. Meanwhile, atheists are discriminated against in the present. Constitutions of eight states ban atheists from running for office.

    Hoo

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    1. ok now this is the stupidest post I've read this morning. Imagined? Evidently you're blind, and you do not see all the hate from secular people directed at Christians. This hate has gained a huge amount of momentum recently. I could show you hundreds of examples of rudeness, cursing and extreme aggressive behavior towards christians on the web. I see several examples DAILY. not sure what planet you live on dude but we're not stupid.

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  4. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavySeptember 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Secular tyranny is not necessarily a bad thing for the Church. Christianity, in my opinion, is populated with far too many "lukewarm" Christians. All one need do is look at the Anglican ecclesiocracy. And anyone who has visited the catacombs in Rome knows that persecution sifts the wheat from the chaff. That's why the Chinese Church is so devout and full of vitality today.

    As practicing Christians become more visible because they are persecuted, it will be easier for regular folks to discern the difference between a Christian and someone like our Ambassador of Joy from the Land of Happy People, Troi. It's a mystery to me how his life could have been so wretched as to engender hate for a billion or so people, but most reasonable people won't find it hard to see the difference between that kind of hate and a body of people who voluntarily feed, educate, and provide medical care to millions of the Earth's most impoverished on a daily basis.

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    1. Adm:

      I agree wholeheartedly. The Church is strengthened by adversity, and we are certainly experiencing a sifting of the wheat and the chaff.

      But tyranny attacks the wheat, not the chaff (who often join in on the attack), and we are right to pray for and support our brothers and sisters who are putting so much on the line for Christ.

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    2. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavySeptember 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      Egnor: "we are right to pray for and support our brothers and sisters who are putting so much on the line for Christ"

      You got it, brother. Hate campaigns like the one that forced Sweet Cakes by Melissa to close are becoming more popular as a legal means of destroying lives and livelihoods. But in addition to prayer, Christians need to (1) band together and support each other when such things happen by actually patronizing businesses under attack, and (2) exposing and picketing the businesses that employ or are owned by the perpetrators of the hate campaign. Unless there are real consequences, these hate campaigns will flourish.

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  5. As more people realize that religion and its long tradition of anti-intellectualism literally makes people stupid and ill-equipped to deal with the problems of the modern world, and that religion remains the most absurd and unnecessary reason for both violent and political conflict, religion will become ever more marginalized. In other words, people are starting to figure out that you’re a whiny bunch of idiots.

    -KW

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  6. Yes. Clearly public schools teaching science in science class, churches not having exclusive access to City Hall for mangers, not having crosses on public land nor the 10Cs in front of the courthouse, Catholic Church groups not being allowed to discriminate against the public while still accepting public funding, Catholics having to cover the reproductive areas of employees who are in neither church positions nor are Catholic, and, of course, mild moves forward on Civil Rights for Gays, is secular tyranny.

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