Monday, October 14, 2013

"America was not shut down properly"

Jerry Coyne posts this graphic, with the title "If only..."




Wouldn't you love it if you pushed "Y", and the next screen said:


                                       WELCOME TO NORTH KOREA

14 comments:

  1. Yeah, lovely - if you're a heartless scumbag, that is.

    If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you.

    If you can't afford a doctor, die lazy scrounger.

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    1. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavyOctober 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      Exactly, Troy. Look what the New York Times has to say about Jeebuscare:

      [J]ust a trickle of the 14.6 million people who have visited the federal exchange so far have managed to enroll in insurance plans... And some of those enrollments are marred by mistakes.
      --- NYT (10/12/2013)

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    2. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavyOctober 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

      And it's not just the Times, it's the Trib!

      Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn't prepared for the pocketbook hit he'll face next year under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

      If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.

      "I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I'm being penalized. And for what?

      --- Chicago Tribune (10/13/2013)

      "And for what?". Why, Adam, it's for President Jeebus McLightworker!

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  2. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavyOctober 14, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Why NoKo? Until global warming turns the Democratic People's Republic of Korea into a tropical paradise, I think Cuba would be a better choice. Remember Michael Moore's crockumentary "Sicko"? Cuba has the best heath care in the world, and it's like Hotel California: "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave".

    Cuba shuttered hundreds of medical facilities last year, including 54 hospitals, as the country reorganizes [sic] its health care sector.

    The number of medical installations nationwide fell from 13,203 in 2010 to 12,738 last year, a decline of 3.5 percent, according to figures posted online in recent days by the National Office of Statistics.

    --- Vancouver Sun (2012)

    Image of Cuban People's Maternity Hospital for non-Tourists (Vancouver Sun). It's clearly in need of "reorganization".

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  3. This Jerry Coyne is a hoot. He thinks he can just create a world with free healthcare and no guns with the stroke of a pen. If only those dasterdly conservatives would just let us!

    There isn't a place in the world where health care is "free." It's paid for through our taxes. It used to be a lot cheaper in this country before Obama decide to make it more expensive with his "Affordable Care Act." But nothing is free and it can't be made "free" by force of law. All the law can do is transfer the burden of paying to someone else.

    Guns exist and they will always exist. They aren't going away. Guns exist in high gun-control areas like Washington DC, Chicago, and even Great Britain. We're not going to un-invent the gun. We need to think of ways to deal with the reality of guns, not wish them out of existence.

    As for Troy. Actually, emergency medical care can't be denied to anyone. That's the law. We also have medicare and medicaid. But more to your point--why is a lawyer appointed for those who can't pay one but not a doctor? Here's the answer: because an activist court decided, in the case of Gideon v. Wainwright, that it wasn't fair that someone should face charges without the benefit of a lawyer. The problem with this is that they made up a right out of thin air. There is no provision of the Constitution that provides for a public defender.

    The Torch

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    1. Adm. G Boggs, Glenbeckistan NavyOctober 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

      Torch: "There isn't a place in the world where health care is 'free.'"

      You got it, bro:

      Health care budgets have been shrinking in recent years under Raul Castro... The [Cuban] government also launched a campaign called “It’s free, but it costs..."

      Now there is a Progressive motto for the ages!

      It's free, but it costs!

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    2. Torch:

      There isn't a place in the world where health care is "free." It's paid for through our taxes.

      Of course it is. Who says otherwise?

      Health care should be free, IMO, in the sense that (1) it is free at the point of use, and (2) regardless of pre-existing conditions and personal wealth or lack thereof.

      From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.


      Matthew 25:14-30: And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to each according to his ability. And he went abroad at once.

      Acts 4:32: All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

      It used to be a lot cheaper in this country before Obama decide to make it more expensive with his "Affordable Care Act."

      Or so would the right-wing propaganda machine have you believe. The opposite is true. At least on average. Some people (with more money obviously) might end up paying more, but that's to be expected if more people are covered than before. The system as a whole is too expensive because too many unregulated middlemen and other parasites are allowed to leach off the people by the politicians who are on the parasites' payroll.

      Here's the answer: because an activist court decided, in the case of Gideon v. Wainwright, that it wasn't fair that someone should face charges without the benefit of a lawyer. The problem with this is that they made up a right out of thin air. There is no provision of the Constitution that provides for a public defender.

      So what if the Constitution doesn't provide for that? Is that a necessary condition for something to qualify as a right?

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    3. the early christian communities of which you speak were voluntary associations. people gave their belongings, which is an entirely different animal than socialism, which is what you want, which is when other people take your belongings. hence your quotation is from the godless marx, not from the bible. do you understand the difference between giving and taking?

      and in any case, the early christian church suffered from too many freeloaders. in 2 thessalonians, paul addresses the problem: "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

      naidoo

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    4. apparently troy thinks that bible ought to be the law of the land. he thinks that even nonbelievers should be forced to pay for another man's doctor or lawyer because the bible says so.

      naidoo

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    5. >>So what if the Constitution doesn't provide for that? Is that a necessary condition for something to qualify as a right? <<

      As a constitutional right, yes. I'll cut you some slack, being a citizen of another nation. You don't know that the role of the Supreme Court is not just to award victories to liberals that they can't win at the ballot box or to make things quote-unquote fair, or to rebuke the electorate when they're being mean, or to formulate good policy. Their job is to play referee according to a very specific rulebook called the Constitution. It's simply to determine if the laws that our elected representatives enact pass constitutional muster.

      In the case of the public defender, I don't think that it does. Gideon was a fourteenth amendment case. It relies heavily on the due process clause. The court essentially found that due process included the right to an attorney because that sounds fair. Due process, up until that point, had never meant that. They simply invented a new requirement to be met before the judiciary could say that a person's due process rights had been met.

      That's weak sauce. I would actually support an amendment to the Constitution that provides for a public defender but, as the Constitution stands now, I can't see how it's required. Nowhere is it spelled out that those who can't afford representation shall have it provided to them at taxpayer expense. That was just pulled out of some judge's rear end.

      JQ

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    6. And naidoo is right--you need to learn the difference between socialism and Christianity. One is about taking and the other is about giving. They're poles apart.

      When Bertrand Russell was asked why he didn't give more to charity, he replied. >>We are socialists. We don't pretend to be Christians.<<

      Understand now?

      JQ

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    7. JQ:

      I'm no fan of judicial activism, but I think that one can justify constitutionally requiring provision of a public defender for a defendant in a criminal case. The legal system is a complex part of the government, and "due process" would seem to entail that an indigent defendant should have help navigating it.

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  4. At least Coyne's admitting that the end goal is the complete elimination of firearms. Why won't politicians talk that way? Why do they always pretend that that isn't their goal? We all know it is.

    Joey

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  5. Figures a liberal would be using WINDOZE.

    How about this one

    $# Kill Progressivism

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