Same sex marriage is gaining ground, fast. There's no question that the truth-based community is losing this fight. Some observations:
1) Gays don't actually care about marriage, in any significant numbers. Few gays marry, even where it is legal.
2) Homosexuals didn't devastate marriage. Heterosexuals have caused enormously more damage to marriage than gays have or can. Millions and millions of us have wrecked our marriages with selfishness, infidelity, and just plain stupidity. We made divorce easy and adultery commonplace. We reduced marriage from the sacrament that it is-- an image of the Holy Trinity (father, mother, and child)-- to a temporary legal arrangement, open to nullification for the most adolescent and venial of reasons.
3) The culpability of the gay marriage movement in the destruction of marriage lies more in the emerging victory of the pagan culture it exemplifies than in the specific damage it will cause. Same sex marriage will certainly degrade marriage, but gays will always be pikers compared to the degradation that heterosexuals have inflicted on marriage.
4) The pagans are winning because they have taken control of the culture. For the most part we are using their terms and logic. Checkmate.
5) The primary impact of the legalization of gay marriage will not be on marriage but on religious freedom. The legal imprimatur conferred to gay unions will rapidly lead to suppression of Christian praxis in the public square. Christians will be forced to collaborate with gay matrimony in innumerable ways-- Christian wedding photographers, florists, venue owners, musicians, teachers, government employees, churches and pastors will have to choose between livelihood and faith. It's already happening. It will be a tsunami when gay marriage is legal everywhere.
This use of government force to drive Christians from the public square by forcing us to deny our faith or lose our livelihood is already happening with the contraception mandate, and has been tested and refined in decades of legal assault on Christians in the courts on issues such as teaching of evolution and public displays of crosses and creches. This is the next step. The Christophobes used to call the police if we asked questions in school about Darwinism or put a manger on the courthouse lawn. Now the haters will call the police if we demur on the purchase of contraception or on renting our banquet hall for Bruce and Steve's wedding reception.
The gay marriage movement has nothing whatsoever to do with marriage of gays. It is an Alisnkyite checkmate--
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
Gay marriage has everything to do with elimination of faithful Christians from the public square.
We cannot beat this by imitating their language and logic. When we use their terms, we have already lost. We are living in a rapidly de-Christianizing and paganizing society, ignited with astonishing evil, and marriage is being transformed to serve other purposes, like a cathedral turned to a brothel. No amount of debate and sociological exegesis will save marriage if we forget that marriage transcends law and civilization and cultural breezes. Marriage-- real marriage between a man and a woman-- is part of what it means to be human.
We have probably lost this fight and this culture already. But the truth remains: marriage is a sacrament. The life-long union of a man and a woman open to new life is the image of God with us.
What remains for us is to tell the truth, without compromise and without fear.
This is the shortest break from blogging I've ever seen. Three days and 3 threads already, including 2 today.ReplyDelete
Your logic hasn't improved after your 'break'. 'Few gays marry, even where it is legal' isn't consistent with 'it will be a tsunami when gay marriage is legal everywhere'.
Read the post again and see if you can figure out why your little troll is stupid.Delete
Senile old fart,Delete
Care to explain why few gays marrying will lead to a tsunami?
You're not stupid. Being stupid requires having at least 2 neurones to rub together.
I personally agree that there will be few homosexuals wanting to marry. I don't think that it will be a problem. Churches won't be required to perform same sex marriages if they don't want to. All they'd need to do is to have some non-discriminatory measure in place, such as requiring the couple to be members of the congregation in good standing for a certain minimum period. The Catholic Church could also require the couple to have undertaken Confession too. Problem solved.
bumfire: "Care to explain why few gays marrying will lead to a tsunami?"Delete
Depends. A tsunami of what?
bumfire, you should go back to reading your little science books from the juvenile section. The level of discourse is about right for you.
Senile old fart,Delete
I know what a tsunami is. Perhaps you can find a YouTube video of a tsunami so you know what a tsunami literally is. I know what figurative use Egnor is making of the word 'tsunami'. He's claiming that the few homosexual marriages that will take place will sweep society and social structures away.
You should go back to colouring in your kindergarten science books.
Anyway - at least I can understand popular science books better than Egnor, who managed to confuse 'evoked potential' with 'action potential' in Libet's book 'Mind Time'.
bonfire: " He's claiming that the few homosexual marriages that will take place will sweep society and social structures away."Delete
How does one "sweep society away"? :-D
society: a group of people involved in persistent interpersonal relationships
See what I mean, bonfire?
Senile old fart,Delete
Egnor was using the word 'tsunami' in a figurative sense. There's no literal physical wave, and as a result there's no literal physical sweeping. The 'sweeping' is also figurative.
I know what you mean - you're thinking (if the word 'thinking' can be applied to you) literally - which is a sign of dementia. You're incapable of thinking abstractly - which is required for the figurative use of words.
Interestingly enough, the one thing Islamofascists and homofascists have in common is strategy:ReplyDelete
The directive from ISIS, citing the Islamic concept of "dhimma"... says Christians must not make renovations to churches, display crosses or other religious symbols outside churches, ring church bells or pray in public.
Christians must not carry arms, and must follow other rules imposed by ISIS (also known as ISIL) on their daily lives.
Good to see you've found your way back. You also obviously didn't believe Egnor when he claimed he was taking a break from blogging. All of 1 day.
Reminds me of the neurosurgeon who was attempting to determine whether his patient was alive or dead by feeling the patient's wrist pulse: 'Alive-dead-alive-dead-alive-dead.....'
I think it's just a sign of Egnor's paranoia with his delusion of grandeur and persecution, that he thinks homosexuals are forming queues in order to irritate Egnor by marrying in church.
Really I just came back to see if Boggs was still making comments and replying to himself on a dead blog.ReplyDelete
I think Egnor is just engaging in his usual racist dog whistle politics against the Democrats and in support of the Republicans.
His logic (if 'logic' can ever be applied to Egnor) is that back in the '60s, marriage was 'traditional', with 'white' families being able to live well on a single income.
And then the civil rights movement came, with African Americans becoming more visible. And economic shocks with increases in the oil price. And deregulation. And the opening of global markets. And stagnation of incomes, so that families needed two incomes to survive.
Egnor wants a return to the '60s, if not '50s. And probably he'd prefer the 1850s, not 1950s (before the publication of 'On the Origin of Species'...)
I'm guessing June 30 will be the doc's last blog before he takes a break from blogging.ReplyDelete
What exactly do you mean by "pagan" and why are you using this term pejoratively? I am sure you are aware of the polytheistic heritage of the world, which includes ancient Europe and the Near East. The pluralistic theology of paganism has infused Catholicism far greater than our secular culture.ReplyDelete
Nothing I have said is above the high school level in history.
"Gay marriage has everything to do with elimination of faithful Christians from the public square."ReplyDelete
Hilarious. The persecution complex is strong in this one.