Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you—and maybe they already have—“Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?,” what would you say?
A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe. I know there’s always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don’t, and I think it’s a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I’m a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don’t presume to know.
That quote is not from Senator Marco Rubio, who was recently criticized and called "anti-science" for equivocating on the age of the earth. I made a little boo-boo in this morning's post.
That quote is from Senator Barack Obama, D-Ill, speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008.
KW: will you now demand that President Obama be kept off all science committees? First Time Caller: how do you feel about President Obama pandering to "scientifically illiterate evangelicals"?
Do you all remember the outrage it caused from the Left against Obama, just like the outrage now against Rubio? The plethora of stories in the mainstream media? The accusations that the Illinois senator was "anti-science"?
Me neither.
Different question. Obama wasn't asked about the age of the earth.
ReplyDeleteTypical behavior for Egnor the pathological liar.
You're feeling quite burnt because you fell for it too. Pathological liar.
DeleteThe Torch
“KW: will you now demand that President Obama be kept off all science committees?”
ReplyDeleteI would, except for the fact that I’m confident Obama is simply placating the ignorant. There’s no need to give the stupid, and those that prey on the stupid, free ammunition to launch lame-brained political attacks.
When GQ asked Rubio how old the Earth is he said “It’s one of the great mysteries”. That’s total bullshit on a level that Obama didn’t approach. Its one thing to state your opinion with a nod to believers as not to cause offence, it’s quite another to misrepresent all that is known with “It’s one of the great mysteries”,
-KW
You made an ass out of yourself, KW. Admit it.
DeleteI knew that when you discovered your error, you would suddenly discover that there's some sort of difference between the two comments. "Its one thing to state your opinion with a nod to believers as not to cause offence, it’s quite another to misrepresent all that is known with “It’s one of the great mysteries”,
"I would, except for the fact that I’m confident Obama is simply placating the ignorant."
In other words, it's acceptable to spew anti-science bullshit out of sheer dishonesty and to get votes. I understand. Now, can we admit that Obama says a lot of crap he doesn't believe? Like, for example when he says that he believes in God? I sense a profound fakeness in his supposed faith, and yet, when I say that I am attacked. It's simply out of bounds to say that Barack Obama may not be a Christian.
And another thing: why would a Democrat have to pander to the ignorant just to get votes? Aren't their voters smarter? Wouldn't he be alienating informed Democrats with a statement like that? It sounds like you're implying that Obama is courting the stupid vote.
The Torch
I know you posed these questions to KW, but would you mind if I answered them?
Delete"And another thing: why would a Democrat have to pander to the ignorant just to get votes?"
To win.
"Aren't their voters smarter?"
No. They can't figure out how to vote or where to vote, hence the needs for "assistance" and provisional ballots. They oppose any literacy or civics test for suffrage because their voters wouldn't pass. They don't know where their candidates stand on the issues, they just want their Obamaphones. (Sorry, KW has decided that we aren't allowed to discuss Obamaphones.)
"Wouldn't he be alienating informed Democrats with a statement like that?"
No. See KW's witty response. The Left knows that their people lie to get votes. There's always a wink and a nod between leftist elected officials and leftist voters. That's why they have no problem with their guys invoking God to justify their postitions. It's understood that their invocation is fake. That's why they cut Obama so much slack on the gay marriage thing for so long. He was lying like a rug and they knew it. If they had believed for a moment that he was sincere they would have given him the Chick-Fil-A treatment. They don't have a problem with religion so long as it is completely fradulent.
Joey
"I would, except for the fact that I’m confident Obama is simply placating the ignorant."
ReplyDeleteWell, that was predictable.
Can we safely assume that whenever liberals sound like normal Americans, they are in fact lying? Can you provide me some more examples of liberals lying for votes? I'd like to be on guard for such chicanery.
DeleteJoey
Hate to say this, but nobody but Americans really seem to differentiate between Republican and Democrat. Americans are regarded as just all-round generally dumb. I'm not saying this to get at you, since it's a false and stupid generalisation (all Americans I know are wonderful intelligent people, and it's a hellaciously big country), but I'm just saying, nobody else really sees a difference. Republicans, Democrats, why do people care? What kind of country can't even decide what kind of government it has? :P
DeleteI still don't really know what the difference between a Republic and Democracy is in America? Rome vs Greece?
I only know something about it because I made a special effort in reading a blog by another Christian American fighting for God and Country.
Finally understood what the heck 'The Contender' was about.
Michael,
ReplyDeleteI admit you got me here. I must have been very tired last night. I knew that Rubio had got into a knot trying to evade a question concerning the age of the Earth. Obama's answer to the question put is a perfectly acceptable metaphorical answer to the question. If Rubio had given the same answer to the same question, then it would have been a perfectly acceptable answer too. Assuming that you think that Genesis has any metaphorical truth, that is, instead of being a plagiarism of earlier religious myths.
bachfiend: "I admit you got me here."
DeleteDr. Egnor "gets" you always! It's nice that you finally recognize this.
Indeed! When you're a pathological liar, it's easy to fool some of the people some of the time.
DeleteObama's answer was fine. Except when you thought it belonged to Rubio. Got it.
DeleteThe Torch
The Torch,
DeleteWell, as I wrote, I knew that Rubio had got into a knot when asked a question about the age of the Earth. In my tiredness, I combined the two questions - the age of the Earth and the literalness of the account in Genesis - into one, the age of the Earth. Which my first comment indicates, in pointing out that the Earth is 4.54 billion years old.
My mistake. As a metaphorical answer to the question asked it was quite acceptable, whether from Rubio, Obama or even Egnor (if he'd been asked).
My answer, bach:
DeleteThe earth is 5 billion years old. The Universe 15 billion, more or less.
God created it all, created us, and holds it all in existence.
As the Second Person of the Trinity, He came to suffer and die for our sins.
There's no reason to pander to anyone. It's ok just to tell the truth.
"I made a little boo-boo in this morning's post."
ReplyDeleteIt's to laugh! the utterly predictable responses ... to both the "mistake" post and the "correction" post.
Funny stuff, Mike.
ReplyDeleteThe only people who can be fooled by pathological liars are people who *want* to be fooled by their lies. Cases in point: Bill Clinton and Barack Obama -- and all of you "liberal" fools who willingly lap up their lies.
ReplyDeleteExcellent illustration of the blindness caused by partisan politics. I laughed out loud. Beware also the logs in your own eyes, my fellow conservatives.
ReplyDelete@John:
DeleteWhat log? I don't see a log...
@Dr Egnor: Hehe. I know the feel, bro.
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