Sunday, May 18, 2014

Islam, again

Another Islamic atrocity:
Sudanese Christians have condemned the sentencing of a Christian woman to death by hanging after she married a Christian man. 
Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, 27, refused to recant her Christian faith as ordered by the court.
A doctor who is eight months pregnant and currently in detention with her 20-month-old son, Ibrahim was charged with adultery last year. Recently, the court added an apostasy charge when she declared her Christian faith in court. 
"This is very disturbing," said Roman Catholic Auxiliary Bishop Daniel Adwok of Khartoum. 
Born of a Muslim father and an Orthodox Christian mother, Ibrahim married Daniel Wani, a South Sudanese Christian with U.S. citizenship, in 2012.

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Adwok said he could not understand why the sentence was issued when the 2005 Interim National Constitution allowed freedom of religion throughout the country. 
"She had openly declared her Christian faith," Adwok said. "I don't think it's right to deny her that freedom." 
But the Sudanese minister for information, Ahmed Bilal Osman, told Agence France-Presse that Sudan is not unique in its law against apostasy. 
"In Saudi Arabia, in all the Muslim countries, it is not allowed at all for a Muslim to change his religion," he said.
Muslims sentence a pregnant woman to death for converting to Christianity.

*sigh*

Around the world, even "enlightened" Muslims remain silent about the death penalty for apostasy, which is a crime against humanity.

We Christians need to wake up and understand what we're facing. Between Islamic and atheist fascists, we are facing persecution on a massive scale.

Please pray for Ms. Ibrahim, that her courage and her faith in the Lord will not cost her her life. 

41 comments:

  1. I read about this a couple days ago. Not surprised. Christians are always being persecuted. Don't expect for the US government nor the UN to do anything about it as they're too busy attacking the Catholic Church.

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    1. You're right. My government doesn't kill Christians like Sudan does, but it certainly discriminates against us. If only I were a homosexual or an illegal alien, then my government might care about me.

      TRISH

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    2. How exactly i the federal government discriminating against you, Trish. Give us specific instances please.

      Ha

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    3. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 9:20 AM

      You're a nosy little troll, aren't you?

      Ha Ho

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    4. I didn't just say the federal government, but they're pretty bad. All levels of government hate my faith. Here are a few examples.

      How about banning the Bible from Walter Reed Medical Center?

      How about Mikey Weinstein and his insistence that students' personal white boards cannot be used for Bible verses?

      How about the ban on chaplains saying Christian prayers?

      How about basic tenets of the Christian religion being firable offenses from federal jobs?

      How about children being told they can't say grace over their meals at school?

      How about employment nondiscrimination laws going unenforced when the victim was targeted for her Christian beliefs?

      How about Christian federal employees being singled out, asked to denounce their faith, and being disciplined for refusing?

      How about schools bleeping out the word "God" from patriotic songs?

      How about Christmas carolers being kicked out of the post office because of some kind of mythical "separation of church and state"?

      How about valedictorians being asked to write speeches about the secret to their success, then being gagged by the administration because their secret is reliance on Christ?

      How about churches being prohibited from buying advertising at school sports fields?

      How about old people at a senior center being told that they can't say grace over meals because they were bought with taxpayer dollars?

      How about New York City's insistence that churches may not rent space at the same rate as everyone else for Sunday church services?

      How about Christians being threatened by a judge with jail time if they mention the word Jesus at a high school graduation ceremony?

      Those are just a few examples. Chew on those for a while.

      TRISH

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    5. Trish, if the government and various institutes insist on discriminating against Christianity, force them to do so openly by disobedience. In almost every instance, the suppression is enabled through compliance.

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    6. Trish, I have asked about specific examples that involved you directly. You have responded with a laundry list of hearsay none of which involves you. Can't say I'm surprised.

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    7. When one person's freedom of speech is attacked, it is a threat to every person's freedom of speech, because if one person's rights can be denied then so too can yours.

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    8. So if I'm not being personally oppressed, then the oppression doesn't exist?

      None of those cases are hearsay. They're facts. You're free to dispute them but you can't.

      Free speech and free exercise of religion are supposedly guaranteed under our Constitution yet they are routinely violated in the case of Christians. I may not experience it personally from my position as a stay-at-home mom, but that doesn't make it any less real.

      TRISH

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    9. I've asked you a specific question, Trish. You have chosen to respond to a different question. Don't blame me.

      Hoo

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    10. Hoo, in that regard, how does it affect you personally when a student decides to pray on school grounds, a private business owner refuses to provide service for SS'M or a government worker reads a Bible? Anyone who values freedom respects others' rights as well as your own.

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    11. It doesn't affect me in any way, Michael, and I am generally not against prayer in public places.

      I wonder, though, whether the self-righteous crowd here would allow Muslim prayer in a public school. Religious freedom is a double-edged sword.

      Hoo

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    12. Yes, Muslims should be allowed to pray anytime as well. Free exercise of religion is part of what the First Amendment of the Constitution is supposed to guarantee.

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    13. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

      Toots: "[would] the self-righteous crowd here would allow Muslim prayer in a public school"

      Stupid question.

      WELLESLEY: Wellesley's school superintendent apologized today for allowing middle school students to participate in a prayer service during a field trip to a Roxbury mosque last spring.
      --- boston.com

      Apparently, pitchfork-wielding Christians did not bar the school doors on this "field" trip to an Islamic religious service that somehow did not violate the Establishment Clause in this particular case. I'm sure that had it been a child carrying a Bible in her backpack, it would have been a Federal case.

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    14. hoo, your concern trolling is not cute. no one really believes that your true concern is that christian prayers might lead to muslim prayers and then we would all be upset about that and you want to nip that in the bud.

      religious freedom isn't a 'double edged sword.' it's not a sword at all. it's a shield that we use to protect ourselves from government goons.

      finally, about this 'self righteous crowd' you speak of, that you think would not 'put up with' a muslim prayer. if the self righteous crowd is offended by such a prayer, does that make it unconstitutional? i assure you, it doesn't. yet we christians are continually silenced because someone of no faith at all is 'offended.' there's no constitutional right not to be offended.

      naidoo

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    15. naidoo,

      You don't even understand my position, which was, by the way, clearly stated. Please read carefully before mouthing off.

      Hoo

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  2. Somehow Dr. Egnor is going to be accused of Islamophobia for this.

    TRISH

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  3. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods...But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. -Deuteronomy 13:6 – 13:9

    Luckily for us non-Christians, Christians generally ignore the Parts of the Bible that order them to commit crimes against humanity. I guess if you can ignore the “fact” that your God committed genocide you can ignore anything.


    -KW

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    1. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM

      Maybe you do need special rights, Popeye. But it doesn't have anything to do with your skin color.

      In your zeal to post something hateful, you forgot to actually read the passage you quote from. It begins thusly:

      If there arises in your midst a prophet or a dreamer who promises you a sign or wonder, saying, “Let us go after other gods,” whom you have not known, “and let us serve them,” and the sign or wonder foretold to you comes to pass..."

      Notwithstanding the fact that you confuse Mosaic Law and Christian theology, and wander aimlessly in fields of imaginary "genocide", I don't think Ms Ibrahim was playing the part of a prophet in competition with Mo. So I'm not clear on exactly how apt your comment was to Egnor's actual post.

      I'll also add that Christians do not "ignore" Mosaic Law, they simply are not subject to it (see Romans 6:14).

      Popeye, parroting excised and out-of-context Bible passages you find on hate sites is a sure path to looking like an idiot except on other atheist hate sites, where it will no doubt be accompanied by the kind of approving cacophony one might expect from a troop of howler monkeys.

      And, by the way, it's against the law even today to be a "false prophet" and promise miracle cures, easy wealth, etc. Fortunately, unlike the people of ancient Israel and thanks to the wonders of free markets, we have enough excess wealth to build prisons and can punish liars with exile behind bars.

      Your ignorance is extraordinary, as is your seemingly limitless desire to flaunt it.

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    2. "I'll also add that Christians do not "ignore" Mosaic Law, they simply are not subject to it (see Romans 6:14)."

      Exactly. And no matter how many times we show the anti-Christian bigots the passages of the New Testament that release us from some of the sillier parts of the Old Testament, they never listen, they never learn, and they never change. It's not simply ignorance, it's a pathological hatred.

      I eat pork and shellfish. I wear clothes made of two materials. I don't separate milk and meat. I don't want to put anyone to death. Happy now, KW?

      Before you hate my religion you should at least take the time to understand it.

      TRISH

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    3. Except for Gays of course. They're still to be reviled.

      And never mind the words right out of Jesus' mouth:

      Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. -Matthew 5:17

      Yes everyone, practice your twisted excuses for the obvious crap in the Bible. I'm sure you can find volumes of arguments decades or centuries old to explain away this simple statement.

      How about taking on my other point? Why do you think it’s OK to worship a genocidal God? Did the Canaanites deserve to be destroyed? Have at it. I can't wait to hear your genocide defense.

      -KW

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    4. I don't "revile" "the gays." But what they do is wrong, and not because it's in the Old Testament but in the New. The Old Testament tells us to put them to death but I know of no Christian who believes that, so obviously we're "ignoring" that too. (We aren't really "ignoring" it, we simply understand the context.)

      You don't understand the words of Christ. He did come to fulfill, and now that it's been fulfilled there's a new law and a new covenant.

      Jesus did many things during his time that enforcers of Mosaic law despised. He consorted with lepers, which was strictly forbidden. He told others that special dietary laws are not necessary because all the defiles comes from within. He violated the strict laws of the Sabbath. He saved a woman from stoning when in fact stoning is the prescribed punishment for adultery.

      You just don't know what you're talking about.

      Your "genocide" arguments would be better taken up with jews, but considering the fact that you're too cowardly to risk being called an anti-Semite, here goes. God is God and he wouldn't be any less "genocidal" if I didn't worship him. What you're doing is a variation on the very old argument that God can't be real because he doesn't act in ways that seem moral to you. God is moral because He's God. But your argument still fails because the moral acceptability of God's actions to one 21st century observer sitting at his computer desk in America really has no bearing at all on whether or not He exists.

      --Francisca S.

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    5. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 10:22 AM

      Popeye's just trolling. It's what ignorant trolls do.

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    6. Homosexuality is denounced in both the Old and New Testaments because of its inherently sinful nature.

      Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets by completing it through Christianity. The Catholic (i.e. Universal) Church are God's chosen people. Jesus was the cornerstone rejected by the builders, i.e. Jews who do not recognize Jesus Christ as their Messiah. Romans 2:29 "But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." With Jesus' divine sacrifice upon the cross, salvation was made available for one and all, whether Jew or Gentile, free or slave, male or female. "Behold, I make all things new," Jesus said, and so He did.

      As for God being genocidal, as He is the author of life, he can do whatever He wants. Whether one lives for one second or one-hundred years is irrelevant because the spirit within is eternal and at the end of time, everyone will immediately be resurrected (though not everyone will enter into the kingdom of God). God does not desire that anyone should suffer or die, but because mankind is stubborn and sinful, God allows us to learn lessons through actions so that a greater good may come of it.

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    7. “God is God and he wouldn't be any less "genocidal" if I didn't worship him.”

      Hitler is Hitler and he wouldn't be any less genocidal if you worshiped him either. The point is you chose to worship him after he's committed one of the greatest crimes imaginable. You might as well worship Hitler.

      Michael, the purveyors of genocide always say it's for the “greater good”. That's really the only argument that genocide apologists have.

      Boggs, I have to hand it to you; you know when to punt.


      -KW

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    8. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      Still trolling, I see. No need to further illustrate your ignorance and discredit your "argument".

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    9. KW, who are the "purveyors of genocide" you speak of? God doesn't answer to you and therefore does not owe you an explanation. All of creation belongs to Him. Once again, the soul is eternal; death isn't the end, it's a transition to the eternal.

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  4. Anyone who doesn't think that Christians are oppressed in this country isn't paying attention.

    How about Christians being threatened by a judge with jail time if they mention the word Jesus at a high school graduation ceremony?

    I think you're referring to Judge Samuel Kent who told a group of Texas high school students that they were not permitted to say the word "Jesus" or any other "deity" at their high school graduation ceremony. He said that if they defied him they would face six months in prison and they would wish they had died as a child. He placed a federal marshal at the graduation to make sure his censorship order was enforced. This happened in Texas not the Soviet Union or Cuba.

    Judge Kent was later impeached and sent to prison. He had "nonconsensual" sex with at least two courthouse employees, which is usually called rape. But he got off easy, pleading guilty to obstruction of justice, and getting only 33 months. He later complained that prison was inhumane, which is really funny because he was certainly eager to put a couple of eighteen year olds there for merely talking about Jesus at their high school graduation ceremony.

    --Francisca S.

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    1. I was actually referring to a more recent case, which tells me that there are at least two nutjob judges in this country who think they have the authority, nay the duty, to censor graduation speeches if they involve Jesus. That's so unconstitutional. It's a good thing the judiciary is there to "protect" our rights.

      I wonder how the most recent case out of Greece, New York, will affect graduation prayers. Maybe we won't have federal marshals there to arrest people any more. That would be a step in the right direction.

      I did a little google search on this Judge Kent. After being given a laughably short sentence for multiple counts of rape and obstruction of justice, he complained that he should be let out early. He said that prison conditions were inhumane, as you said. One of his complaints is that he actually overheard someone being RAPED in the next cell! A rapist complaining that it's inhumane to hear rape in the next cell. The chutzpah.

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  5. anyone who doesn't want to hear a prayer at a graduation should move to north korea. you'll never hear a prayer there. you'll love it. in the meantime, stop trying to transform our country into the dprk.

    naidoo

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  6. The prayer police are a lot like the Mounties. They always get their man.

    But seriously, federal marshals at a graduation ceremony? Really? Liberals tend to think that the term "prayer police" is some kind of hyperbole. But is it? The cops were literally standing by to arrest anyone who uttered the name of Jesus.

    We're living in the dystopian future.

    Ben

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    1. If a student was ever arrested for speaking Jesus' name, it would create a MASSIVE backlash against the federal authorities and draw condemnation the world over for being blatantly communistic. Locking up Americans for practicing Christianity would constitute a serious act of oppression, an open provocation for war. We're nobody's doormat!

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    2. it's happening right now, michael. no one is doing anything about it. the weak, ineffectual public backlash is sloughed off as 'whining' on the part of christians. i always say that i'll quit 'whining' when my rights quit being violated.

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    3. the prayer police are very real indeed.

      naidoo

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    4. naidoo, not quite. Since the students caved in to the anti-constitutional threats of the judge, none of them were arrested. Had they been arrested, we'd be having a different conversation...

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  7. A propos of tolerant Christians, I'm staying in a hotel in Spain, at the Plaza de los Reyes Catolicos. For you typically uncultured monoglot Murkins, that's the Square of the Catholic Monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabel, famous for ethnically cleansing Spain of Muslims and Jews, inventing the Ghetto and the Inquisition. The Pope was so pleased, he bestowed upon them the title of Catholic Monarchs.

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    1. troy:

      When you visit Moscow, make sure to book a room in the Lubyanka.

      It is to the history of atheism what the Square of the Catholic Monarchs is to Christianity.

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  8. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Trog: "typically uncultured monoglot Murkins"

    Now that's "Kultur".

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    1. Commissar Boggs, Ministry of TruthMay 18, 2014 at 2:45 PM

      And, I might add, if there's a merkin around here, it's you. :-)

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    2. Was wissen Sie denn von Kultur, Sturmbahnfueher Boggs, hmmm?

      Zum Glueck.

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    3. "And, I might add, if there's a merkin around here, it's you. :-)"

      Oh, my!

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