On the small chance that you didn't think that Bill Maher was an absolute jerk, this should clear things up.
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My motto is: Let’s Kill The Right People. I’m pro-choice, I’m for assisted suicide, I’m for regular suicide. I’m for whatever gets the freeway moving. That’s what I’m for. It’s too crowded. The planet is too crowded and we need to promote death.
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It's interesting to watch logic and consistency winning out over arbitrary political labeling. I see people who value life as sacred beginning to shake off the bellicosity and bloodthirstiness of neoconservatism, questioning the "conservative" position on war and the death penalty. On the other hand, I'm also seeing what my sister calls "the rise of the militant left." People who see human life as being objectively no better than animal or plant or fungal life are beginning to show it in all areas - as demonstrated by Maher above.
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ReplyDelete[It's interesting to watch logic and consistency winning out over arbitrary political labeling. I see people who value life as sacred beginning to shake off the bellicosity and bloodthirstiness of neoconservatism, questioning the "conservative" position on war and the death penalty.]
I agree. I believe that the sanctity of life is the real rational and good basis for ethics. It is Christian humanism, beautifully articulated by John Paul II. It has various aspects that are traditionally right and left-- opposition to abortion, opposition to the death penalty, opposition to unjust war.
[On the other hand, I'm also seeing what my sister calls "the rise of the militant left." People who see human life as being objectively no better than animal or plant or fungal life are beginning to show it in all areas - as demonstrated by Maher above.]
I believe the Left is the greatest threat we fact in our times. With the Biological Revolution, the threat to innocent life and to human dignity is enormous.
We are building extraordinarily powerful tools-- in-vitro fertilization, genetic screening and manipulation, contraception-- with amoral adolescent ethics guiding us.
I point out (confess) that I used to be a neo-conservative. I was very wrong.
DeleteThe "Biological Revolution" has already caused an immense amount of harm, but it's not even close to being finished. It will end by replacing the family with a State apparatus for designing, producing, and programming children; and by replacing sex with a sterile and disconnected alternative - some sort of neural stimulation process doled out by a government agency.
DeleteMaher's sentiments are more bluntly expressed than most, but he is hardly alone in his thinking. It's more common to hear secular humanist liberals beat around the bush, but when you get down to it, they believe what Maher believes. They are pro-death. The world has just too many people, you see, so we're going to have to start knocking people off. The planet is infested with a disease called humanity.
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I suggest Maher lead the way by example.
ReplyDeleteFind a nice overpass and leap. He knows he would clearing the highway for some other, younger, more intelligent 'comedians'.
That's all I want from these Malthusian types. Just a demonstration!
JH,
'Hawks' like the people of which you write can only maintain their argument in the absence of the facts. Once war has actually begun, it soon becomes apparent that the 'easy path' (War and violent conflict) is not always the desired one, and that the toll to take it takes is very high indeed. War changes all the people involved. It changes their culture, their beliefs, their economy, and even the family.
So, strange as it may seem - I see this awakening of 'conservatives' as a product of war itself; an after-taste.
That said, the way I see it is that war is inevitable. Nations will clash and disintegrate. People will revolt against unjust governments.
A government and system turning in on its own?
An elite that engages in the killing and promotion of the killing of it's own citizens?
A democidal regime?
This murderous state of affairs can be avoided. It has been, and to a degree, is avoided in our nations.
So I feel my own position is consistent that while I am a soldier and in favour of using force where required, I am against the misuse of military force and all government involvement in violence against it's own citizens. Whether we are talking about eugenics like abortion and 'assisted suicide', or the government executing people for criminal offences - I see no merit in allowing our leaders such absolute power over us.
Anyway... re the neo-cons:
I would say the important thing is that while these folks come to hate war, that they do not lose the will to fight or demonstrate their sentiments in such a a way as to project weakness.
Those who hate war must fight it all the more fiercely and to win.
Mike,
"I point out (confess) that I used to be a neo-conservative. I was very wrong."
It's all part of a journey. A search for the truth.
I was certainly a 'hawk' at one point, and I ask God to forgive me for that frequently.
In my neo-con days, in the run-up to the Iraq war, I had a friend who was more conservative, and who politely told me I was deluded. He thought the Iraq war was imprudent and unjustified.
DeleteI disagreed, but I had this gnawing feeling that he was right, and I couldn't shake it.
I have a different perspective now. We need to take the war to the terrorists, with fury, but we need to keep our objectives in mind, and we need to consider the damage we do to innocents even in just war.
So I feel my own position is consistent that while I am a soldier and in favour of using force where required, I am against the misuse of military force and all government involvement in violence against it's own citizens.
DeletePretty much the only rational position. I think where a lot of us differ is on the question of where force is required. The best guide I have found to that is the just war doctrine. We should be very capable of using force, and very reluctant to do so. The America I grew up in has always been very capable, but insufficiently reluctant.
Pro death? That's a real funny slur coming from adherents of a death cult. Suckers who believe that death was brought into existence by a person eating an apple on the advice of a talking snake. Suckers who believe that someone was tortured to death so they could be saved and spend an eternal life after death in heaven. Suckers who believe in hundreds of undead zombies roaming the streets of Jerusalem after their savior didn't turn out to be dead after all, which apparently nobody at the time thought remarkable enough to document.
ReplyDeleteYou guys are obsessed by death.
We are saved by a Death, and are grateful.
DeleteWhy do those who want to promote death so seldom put their money where their mouth is, so to speak? Is it merely that they promote someone else's death, much as they promote someone else "paying his 'fair share'"?
ReplyDeleteAh! "The right people" does not include leftists?
DeleteThe pro-death crowd's m.o. is to always exempt people like themselves from the list of the expendable.
DeleteAt least he admits that being "pro-choice" is being pro-death. He doesn't try to blow smoke up your butt on that one. It's killing and he knows it, but that's okay because he's pro-death. Now we're getting somewhere.
ReplyDeleteThat's an honest debate we can have. Is a sustained holocaust against the unborn a good thing or a bad thing? I'll take the no position, you pro-choicers can take the yes position.
TRISH
It's a bit insulting to people who have lost relatives in the holocaust to compare abortion to the holocaust, don't you think? You know, the real holocaust, where millions of Jews were murdered by Christians.
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DeleteThere have been several "real" holocausts. The German genocide against Jews (6 million dead) was obviously a holocaust, as was the Chinese One Child Policy (over a hundred million dead, mostly girls aborted or killed at birth), Indian and Peruvian population control genocide (in India, over a million involuntary sterilizations and millions of dead baby girls), the Environmentalist War on DDT (50 million malaria deaths), and of course State Atheism, with 100 million deaths (a low estimate) and counting.
You don't define our language, troy.
Abortion isn't murder, not matter how often you keep repeating that lie.
DeleteNearly all Germans were Christians. Why do you keep denying that Christians have mass-murdered Jews from the get-go? It's a historical fact.
It's also a historical fact that the Catholic church has supported fascist regimes all over the world. After WWII, the Vatican has helped scores of Nazis escape to south-America.
Your cult is responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions of people.
TRISH,
DeleteSometimes they forget to lie and the truth slips out. Bill Maher admits that he's pro-death, then names off his impressive list of pro-death credentials--he wants to kill the unborn, he wants the old and sick to off themselves, and really anybody who just doesn't want to be here as well. It's nice to know that at least Maher is admitting as much now. It would be nice if Troy would do the same.
No, Troy, it's not insulting to compare the murder of 11 million under Hitler to the murder of 55+ million under the abortion regime. (That 55+ number is only for the United States by the way. The abortion industry has global reach.)
Some day they'll do tours of Planned Parenthood's Dachaus and Bergen-Belsens, just like they do in Europe. People have the courage to look evil in the face and learn a lesson.
JQ
This is unbelievable. It never ends. This is why we cannot cave in and give them what they want, in hopes that they will be happy.
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JQ