Monday, April 23, 2012

Why are some black lives worth more than others?



Lee Habeeb at NRO asks the obvious question: who do we ignore the murder of blacks by blacks, and only get outraged by the (quite rare) murder of blacks by whites?

We seem to only value the lives of black murder victims when their murder seems to confirm the accusation that we are a deeply racist society. But isn't the selective valuation of only the few black lives extinguished by whites, and the ignoring of the 94% of black murder victims killed by other blacks, stronger evidence for racism than the rare white-on-black murders?

Perhaps there is a strong streak of racism in our society that persists, disguised as anti-racism.

Evil is subtle, and loves irony. 

9 comments:

  1. The outrage is because of the obvious double standard that lets a white killer of a black child, based on his word, go home with his gun without being charged, while black suspects are treated much more harshly.

    The fact that the right, including Egnor, ignores this aspect of the situation is in itself racist. Claiming anti-racism is somehow racist is Orwellian doublespeak meant to divert attention from the institutional racism that you are in effect defending.

    -KW

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  2. @KW:

    [The outrage is because of the obvious double standard that lets a white killer of a black child, based on his word, go home with his gun without being charged, while black suspects are treated much more harshly.]

    There are plenty of suspects of all races who are not immediately arrested.

    [The fact that the right, including Egnor, ignores this aspect of the situation is in itself racist.]

    I insist that arrests, indictments, and convictions be based on evidence and the law.

    The real issue here, KW, is your (and the Left's) lack of outrage at the thousands of murders in our cities. You only get agitated when the assailant is white and the victim is black. That is, you use racial spectacles to judge.

    All killings are tragedies, and tens of thousands of people are murdered annually. Many of them are black, and their murderers are usually black.

    Your response to this tragedy is "ho-hum-- yawn". When killing doesn't fit your racial talking point, you don't care.

    That's racist.

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  3. How many black men do you think where allowed to leave the police station after being brought in for killing an unarmed white teenager who was on his way home from the store? The outrage isn’t about the killing per se; it’s about the double standard that allows the white man to walk.

    Sure, black on black violence is much more prevalent than white on black violence. So what? That has nothing to do with why people are outraged by the Zimmerman case. Remember that when this outrage started there was nothing going on, the half-assed investigation was essentially over, and there was no indication that charges where forthcoming.

    I’m outraged by how Zimmerman was handled precisely because I’m not a racist. I see the injustice and double standard born from the institutionalized racism on display in this case.

    It pisses me off to listen to conservatives like you screaming “look over here at all the blacks killing blacks, if your not more outraged by this than Zimmerman then you’re a racist” Bullshit. There’s not even the slightest hint that the Right acknowledges the racial double standard that lead to the outrage in the first place, instead it’s all arm-waving and finger-pointing and endless talk of how violent black people are. If that’s not racist bullshit I don’t know what is. The sad thing is that it’s the new conservative orthodoxy.

    Good thing for you Republicans have an active voter suppression operation that disproportionately disenfranchises urban voters, because this racist bullshit is getting deep. You’re up to your neck in it.

    -KW

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    1. @KW:

      You only get upset at the killing of black people when the narrative fits your racial categories.

      I am upset at all killings, irrespective of the race of the perpetrator or victim.

      Which view is racist?

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    2. @KW:

      [There’s not even the slightest hint that the Right acknowledges the racial double standard that lead to the outrage in the first place, instead it’s all arm-waving and finger-pointing and endless talk of how violent black people are.]

      There's racism on all sides, and there are outrages all the time. Every time someone is killed it is an outrage.

      The KKK was on your team, my Democrat friend. You still have racists-- Sharpton, et al. For you, racism is a tool, a way to advance your agenda.

      I'm demanding a color-blind society, in which all killings and all miscarriages of justice are outrages, not just the ones that fit a narrative.

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    3. I am sorry to have to be the one to point out this uncomfortable fact, but Mr Zimmerman is no more 'white' than Mr Obama is white.

      Both have a 'white' (presumably European descended) parent. Is Mr Obama a 'white' President? If not, then Mr Zimmerman is simply NOT "the white man to walk" free from murder. He may have walked away, but he is just not 'white' by your modern American standards.
      If he were, so would Mr Obama be white.
      If Mr Obama is 'black' or even 'African', then Mr Zimmerman is 'brown' or 'Latino'.
      Why is Mr Zimmerman's central American heritage ignored in this. Why is he constantly referred to as "white" by the media in the US?
      I guess "Biracial man shoots unarmed black youth" or "Latino man shoots black youth" just do not have the same ring to them, do they? Not the same impact as 'white man shoots black youth' has, eh?

      I know some of you will -in quite the Kafkaesque flourish- accuse me of racialism. I am not of that mind. I simply point to the obvious: Any serious discussion of Mr Zimmerman's guilt or innocence in these matters cannot be based or mitigated on him being 'white' or on any such racial prejudice - as he is clearly of mixed ethnicity.
      He is at least 'Biracial', and most probably (like most of us) a mix of many lines.

      This whole thing is a circus. Political, racial, and regional camps are all being played off against each other.
      A kid is dead and a guy's life is on the line and people are making this about some sort of political struggle.
      Actually it is about a society so paranoid and so sensitized to crime that a loud mouthed kid in the wrong neighbourhood can end up shot dead by a neighbourhood watchman. Maybe just because he matched a profile: He was black.
      AND....
      Just a few miles away, after being stripped below the waste and called 'crackers', two ('white') British tourists (and lifelong friends) were shot dead for going into the 'wrong neighbourhood' too. They had ventured into a 'black' part of Sarasota after a night on the town while on holidays.
      They were killed for being 'white' by a boy of 17 at the time, the same age as Trayvon Martin; the victim in the Lakeland case.
      In one case a boy is shot and killed, in another he does shooting and the killing.
      A BOY. A kid of 17.
      That is what should be getting everyone's attention about these cases. The skin colour stuff is nasty too, but there is a dead CHILD in the Trayvon Martin case, and a CHILD murderer in the Shawn Tyson case.
      Kids are killing and being killed with wild abandon, and many of them are black.
      Who is doing the killing? Well we can see from the stats it is mostly other black kids. But, as the Dr Egnor notes in the blog piece above - nobody seems to give a shit about that.

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    4. What many of your folks reading this may not understand (having not been to this area of Florida) is that BOTH these crimes happened in areas within a couple of hours Disney-world and some of the nicest beaches on the East Coast of North America.
      This was vacation-land, USA just a few years back. It still does bustling business, but a lot has changed.
      My last visit to Sarasota was in 2011. I had stayed there in the 80' and 90's, but spent a lot of time in Mexico and South America after that... and when we did go to Florida we stayed in Orlando or Tampa (kids with us).
      So in 2011, I made a happy return to the little paradise I had discovered a few years before. I pleased to see the beaches had been nicely recovered since the Horizon spill. Some of my favourite places were still there, and the 'keys' off the coast were still blissfully quiet and 'old Florida'.
      What had changed was down town. I had it explained to me by the super-friendly expat Brit who owns the property we rented over a couple of pints.
      He explained that while some of the areas I used to be able to frequent (for food) were still okay during the daylight hours, I may get 'checked out' by police coming and going - as they are big drug dealing areas now. Also that they are not safe at night.
      These areas had been mixed racially, with a lot of Latin and black folks in that mix.
      They were very fun and vibrant communities in the 80's and 90's. Steel drums and street bands, pancake houses, Rastas and rum bars, break dancing and discos.
      Now they were called 'black' and were off limits.
      Call me backwards, but that does not come off as progress. And if that is what the tension is like under the palmy breezes of West Florida... what is it like in the concrete and smoke?

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  4. Yeah. KW cheers for a black lynch mob determined to execute it's sentence of death upon a non-black person. If that isn't evidence that we took the racism of the twenties and thirties and turned it around, then I don't know what is.

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  5. "I am sorry to have to be the one to point out this uncomfortable fact, but Mr Zimmerman is no more 'white' than Mr Obama is white. "

    Exactly. I've been wondering why this hasnt been mentioned. Is it the last name Zimmerman, that sounds white?

    My opinion on why the media and/or people in general are quicker to point out white on black murder over black on black murders is that theres an underlying pre-assumption that the crime was inherently racially motivated. As if every white person just cant wait for their chance to kill a black man. Its very revealing

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