Monday, October 8, 2012

"Obama undermines his defense of free speech by pandering to Muslim rioters. "

Jacob Sullum has a great post:

Slandering Muhammad Is Not a Crime

Excerpt:

"We don’t think that depictions of the prophets are freedom of expression," a Muslim scholar explained to The New York Times. "We think it is an offense against our rights."
This notion of rights cannot be reconciled with the classical liberal tradition of free inquiry and free expression. But instead of saying that plainly, Obama delivered a muddled message, mixing a defense of free speech with an implicit endorsement of expectations that threaten to destroy it.
That the American President-- the man elected by us to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"-- would even hesitate to defend freedom of speech boggles the mind.

We don't even begin to understand what this odious Administration of far-left bastards is doing to our country. 

15 comments:

  1. We don't even begin to understand

    Truer words were never spoken.

    Whether it's constitutional interpretation, or evolutionary biology, this blog is the place to go if you want misunderstandings galore, delivered with all the arrogance of a surgeon. Fun for the whole family!

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    1. Aww.. shucks. You flatter me.

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    2. >>Whether it's constitutional interpretation, or evolutionary biology, this blog is the place to go if you want misunderstandings galore, delivered with all the arrogance of a surgeon.<<

      Then please stop wasting your time with us. We're stupid, you're smart. We get it.

      JQ

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    3. Then please stop wasting your time with us. We're stupid, you're smart. We get it.

      No, you don't. This blog, and the sycophantic commentators such as you are a case study of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

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  2. So where are you on this one, Anonymous? Restricting freedom in order to lull violent mobs of Islamic crazies--for it or against it?

    The Torch

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    1. The Torch,

      I think that depicting Mohammed is a no-no, because it enrages batshit crazy Muslims for no benefit.

      But I think it's quite OK to write books or blogs noting that Mohammed was a pedophile. Assuming that he existed that is, which I doubt.

      The Qur'an actually makes no reference to Mohammed. His biographies were written centuries after he was supposed to have lived, and are almost certainly fictional. The Qur'an is not an easily interpreted text, and a large collection of hadiths are necessary to explain what the various verses mean. The hadiths are supposed to refer to explanations given by Mohammed, but also they were fabricated.

      I think that free speech certainly covers writing and talking about Mohammed. Because that's exactly what Muslims do themselves.

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    2. Nobody is talking about restricting freedom; it’s about getting asshole bigot provocateurs to refrain from provoking riots and terrorism with their stupid and unnecessary insults. If a child repeatedly provokes another child to violence we naturally hold both children responsible. Grow up.

      -KW

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    3. @KW:

      So if I repeatedly threaten to kill you you will stop expressing your disagreement with me?

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    4. "Nobody is talking about restricting freedom; it’s about getting asshole bigot provocateurs to refrain from provoking riots and terrorism with their stupid and unnecessary insults."

      You accomplish this by taking away their freedom.

      You qualify as an asshole bigot provocateur in my book, KW. Are your rights next?

      "If a child repeatedly provokes another child to violence we naturally hold both children responsible."

      The most violent people make the rules about what the rest of us can say. I also don't agree with your definition of inciting violence. Inciting violence is when I stand before an angry crowd with a bullhorn and say, "Let's all go down to the mayor's house and kick his ass!" It's not when I say something that someone else doesn't like and that person decides to remedy the situation with assault or ever murder. In that situation, we punish the assaulter or murderer.

      "Grow up."

      I'm grown up just fine.

      Muslim have demonstrated that they will riot and kill people when "provoked' by the following stimuli: actual desecration of the Quran, imagined desecration of the Quran, cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammad, teddy bears named Mohammad, missionaries, and South Park episodes. Seems to me that if Christians started killing people over Piss Christ, we'd have to ban that too.

      The Torch

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    5. "But I think it's quite OK to write books or blogs noting that Mohammed was a pedophile."

      That enrages batshit crazy Muslims too.

      And while I agree that pissing people off for no other reason than pissing people off is a bad idea, I'm not willing to follow you down that slippery slope. People have a right to be pissed off, but not to respond with violence.

      "I think that free speech certainly covers writing and talking about Mohammed."

      But it doesn't cover...what exactly?

      What it sounds like is, "I'll retain my right to insult their prophet, but other people do not."

      Hey do you think there might be a slight difference in the violence quotient between Muslims and Christians? We are provoked constantly, and yet we don't kill people. We'd get some respect if we did, and the law would have to intervene to stop other people from "inciting" us to kill them.

      The Torch

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    6. I guess Muslims don't like cartoons with Mohammad sporting a bomb in his turban but they'll be very understanding when you call their prophet a child molester.

      JQ

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  3. What's going to happen when Muslims start murdering evolutionary biologist because that offends their religion too? No more talk about evolution? Is that the solution?

    The Torch

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  4. I feel the urge coming on to kick the crap out of KW. Somebody call the police and arrest him for inciting me.

    Joey

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    1. Hey maybe that's the approach to use to fight Darwinism:

      "Darwinists claim Mohammed evolved from a monkey; Muslims set biology departments ablaze!"

      That'll shut 'em up.

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    2. I don't believe for a moment that they will give up their own freedoms to appease violent Muslims. Only yours.

      JQ

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